MrEpsYtown

Yeah this is where I am at. In real life, if these QBs and freaking guards aren’t overdrafted, Wilson and McDuffie are gone, and I’m trading back with every once of effort.

Bradberry is 33 3/8s Daryl Worley is 33 3/8s Tre White is 32 1/8th Howard is 31.25 Denzel Ward is 31.25 Marshon Lattimore is 31.25 Jaire Alexander is 31 1/8th Derek Stingley is 30 5/8s McDuffie is 29.75 McCreary is 28 7/8s Donte Jackson is 29.5 Yeah I understand what you are saying. It’s totally true.

Yeah I got you, and you are very likely right. I just hope they have learned from that, at least a little.

Hindsight being 20-20, that was the wrong move. Bradberry worked out for the most part, Worley and Sanchez did not. But when they picked Butler they passed on Xavien Howard who is elite. The Panthers went from 15-1 to 6-10. I am not saying that it is simply because the corner position, but they had a chance to draft an elite guy and they waited (Howard has short arms!). There is a big dropoff between the first few corners and those second round guys in this draft (in my opinion) and I think with the glaring hole there and and the fifth year option, they need that first round corner. You are getting a cheap, possibly elite guy for the length of White’s contract.

The other thing you can do @Virgil is just make the vote Wilson vs McDuffie and see what happens.

I agree with leaving McDuffie out. I think he would be the pick, but let’s say the Bills don’t like him…who knows? Its a great exercise. I’m with you @Virgil

Let's say the Beane doesn't love the board and Seattle calls wanting to jump the Lions and offer 40 and 41? Or a team like the Texans want to jump up and grab a QB and offer 37 and a future first? I think it depends on who is one the board, but in my mind I am targeting pick 32 with the Lions moving up a bit to take their guy so they can go BPA at 2.

Interesting. That would be a bit of a shock but makes sense. Could see an EJ Manuel type of trade down into the teens? Or do they have to stay in front of Carolina? I hope all the quarterbacks go early and allows the talent to fall.

Agreed. The Lions have been doing a lot of qb visits. And they are not taking one at 2. I kinda hope they would want to do a mini trade up to 25. Or a team who wants to jump the Lions from round 2. Or maybe the Bengals wanting to jump up for an o linemen.

If there is a mini run on receivers and McDuffie goes, there really isn't much left. I agree with both of you guys actually.

Well she is 74 years old now. So if there was ever a chance, it’s probably now! 😆😆

I think we like Stingley a lot. Based on no information and facts, just gut. If he makes it to the teens I think you have to try to jump. I also think we like McDuffie. Just when I watch his game, he is doing everything we would ask him to do in our scheme and doing it at a high level. If he makes it to 20, I could see a little move there. Booth seems to fit as well, at least in my opinion.

I don’t think teams think that way in the draft. I think they stay mostly self centered, and stick to their board, and if a trade is beneficial to us, then you do it. I don’t think you concern yourself with who is on the other line, imo. I think they stay in the first for the 5th year option, but I could see a scenario where they trade out to the 2nd. I am hoping a team like Detroit might want to move up for a QB.

I think the Bills trade up if Stingley or Gardner fall into the 12-15 range. That’s it imo. I don’t think they trade up for anyone else. Maybe a mini trade up for a next tier corner in the 22 area. That’s JMO. I don’t they would trade up for Jordan Davis, but if he’s there at 25 I think they take him. To me, the most likely scenario for the Bills is to stay at 25. Maybe trade down a bit but not out of the round. Then use picks to trade up to get multiple 2s or 3s. Like the year the traded up in the third and got Singletary and Knox. Or the time the traded up in the 2nd to get Dion and Zay Jones.

Just to add, I think Stingley is better than Gardner. Like a lot better. But the question/red flag is health.

With the 13th pick in the TSW mock draft 2.0, the Houston Texans select Derek Stingley Jr., CB, LSU. I have to be honest, I think Stingley might be the best player in the draft. He shut down the SEC as a true freshmen, then people just stopped throwing his way. The Lisfranc injury is concerning for a corner, but from all accounts he looked good at his pro day. He ran a 4.37 and jumped 38.5 on the vert. He is a technician, and if heathy, will be a top 5 corner right off the bat. With pick #3, I considered Walker, Gardner, Stingley, so I am surprised and ecstatic that he is here. Had a nice trade down opportunity but I had to stay put in this scenario. Imo, the Texans need to rebuild their defense with an edge player and a corner and I think Lovie Smith is going to push defense early on. The Ravens and @Alphadawg7 are now on the clock. Unfortunately, Zay Jones isn’t available 🤣😂🤣🤪

Bring back the Sonics!

AJ Brown for Cody Ford? A do over on that second round?

He said he wants to be the next Jadeveon Clowney..like really? Disappointing journeyman career? There is some weird stuff there.

If Stingley falls, I think that is the guy the Bills would trade up for. JMO

Let me preface this by saying that I think that the Texans are going to take Gardner, as there is a lot of smoke there. In an effort to shake up this draft so it is different from 1.0…also if it were me I would do: With the third pick of the TSW NFL Draft 2.0, the Texans select Travon Walker, DE, Georgia. Lovie Smith’s Tampa 2 defense has many strengths and weaknesses and what I had to consider was whether or not sacks are more important than corner play. Their Tampa 2 is a bit different from what we do here in Buffalo, as corners can’t just sit in a zone. Think bend but don't break Dick Jauron. However, I think the most important thing for Lovie Smith is to have a player who can get to the quarterback. Bend but don’t break doesn’t work without pressure. The Texans really like Greenard, but Walker gives them a somewhat raw specimen who has a ton of size, athleticism, and length. Walker is also a squeaky clean prospect and has a super high motor in pursuit and defends the run. Walker may be seen by some as a bit of a reach, but I think we are only scratching the surface of what he can do as a full time end in a 4-3. I think that in the end he will go in the top 5. With that the New Jersey Jests and @Big Blitz are now on the clock.

The Texans are open to a trade. Otherwise, I will make a pick around 1030.

Yeah I agree. Some are better than most, like Haack. But if a guy can't do that job consistently well, he should be out.

I posted this elsewhere, but Brandon Smith makes a ton of sense. With Penn State you have the Pegula connection, the Shoop connection and the Brent Pry connection. Pry was his position coach at PSU. Here is the thing with Smith, I think he is a boom or bust prospect. This regime wants a linebacker like Tremaine Edmunds. Smith is the closest thing you can get to Edmunds in this draft. He has quite the pedigree as a 5 star recruit. He is shorter than Tremaine, but built thicker and has a slightly longer wingspan. Copy and pasted from another post of mine: I love that they met with Brandon Smith from Penn State. He may be the answer we are looking for. Smith has everything Tremaine has, but he is a much more physical player and he is a bit shorter so his frame is a bit more compact and but he still has freaky long arms and his wingspan is wider than Tremaines. He ran a slightly slower 40 but displays better lower body explosion with a better broad jump than Maine. He also came in about 10 lbs heavier than he played, so he is probably closer to a 4.5 than a 4.6. If we do move on, this is the type of guy the regime would target to replace him. HT: 6-3 1/2 WT: 250 ARMS: 34 5/8 HANDS: 10 1/4 40: 4.57 (4th among LBs - tie) BENCH: DNP VERTICAL: 37.5 (4th among LBs) BROAD: 128 (4th among LBs - tie) Here are pro day numbers mixed with combine: (*denotes measurement from NFL combine): Height: 6 feet, 3.5 inches Weight: 244 pounds Arms: 34 5/8 Hands: 10 1/4 Bench press: 20 reps Vertical jump: 37.5 inches* Broad jump: 10 feet, 8 inches* 40-yard dash: 4.52 seconds* 20-yard shuttle: 4.08 seconds 3-cone drill: 6.94 seconds The Bills met with him at the combine, were at his pro day, and have a connection to his position coach the last few years. He put up a 9.9 RAS. Please don’t turn this into a Tremaine debate. Basically you are pressing the reset button on Tremaine and finding the same type of prospect who is much, much cheaper. Like it or not, this is the type of prospect at the linebacker position they like. Smith is essentially three years younger as he just turned 21 and Tremaine turns 24 in a month. Smith was a 5 star recruit, player of the year in Virginia. He is raw but sweaky clean.

Your point is valid, but I don’t think the children in the sweatshops know/care which way the Buffalo is supposed to face.