MrEpsYtown

I think it’s a good point. I have had those thoughts myself with Linderbaum. But if Penning is there, it could be a great spot for a trade down. If I had to bet today I would say a modest trade up with say the Eagles for a corner will happen. I think the Eagles will trade down a bit as you don’t want to deal with 3 fifth year options.

I really don’t think so, unless ypu think he’s significantly better than Brown. You can’t take him there if he is coming to sit the bench. It’s gonna be a corner.

I like Hernandez more than most, but my point was that his signing may have been a sign that the Bates thing was coming to a conclusion. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah I wrote about this the other day. I think Bates is a great fit at RG. You also have an extremely athletic right side. In Bates’ world he may feel more comfortable on the left as a former LT, but I think he plays the right. I don’t think he cares. I think he just wants to start.

Yeah I think some of those mid late round guys like Cam Jurgens, Alec Lindstrom, Logan Bruss, Luke Fortner or super athletic and versatile Zack Tom make a lot of sense. Tom is a college left tackle who will kick inside. Maybe RT tackle prospects who could play inside like Luke Goedeke. I would be shocked if we don’t pick corner and receiver in the first two rounds with linebacker possibly in the mix as well.

He was in San Fran with coach Saleh. Still surprised he was a bust. I guess the NFL doesn’t love BS pressure metrics. I think they just like sacks.

Thank God. Goodbye Bobby Johnson. That guy has held some of these guys back. I have enjoyed bursting the bubble of my Giant friends who are excited about him and Feliciano. And just to add, having a line with 4 former left tackles starting is a great way to do business when u have a star QB and want to throw a lot. And it would be five. The only reason Brown is a RT is because Trevor Penning.

If Tre White backs him then yeah. I trust him and they were LSU mates. Futures contract, or a camp tryout

Eagles Chargers Seahawks

I’m in. I will take anybody.

Definitely not. If they give him the 2nd round tender he signs it and he has a great year, now he’s a free agent next year at 26 years old and getting paid. This was the only way to get this type of deal done. He was playing with fire, but now we have a guy locked up with huge upside entering his prime.

And no pedigree. At least Rex had some dominant defenses.

I will say this, movement on the IOL front, Hernandez signing with ZONA, etc likely means a decision on Bates has been made. We just don't know which way it went. For example, maybe Hernandez was in a holding pattern as he would be a fit for us. Maybe he found out we are keeping Bates so he signed with Arizona. Or maybe he was planning on trying to go to the Bears and when he found out they got Bates, he signed with Arizona.

I didn't love the trade but Keenum is a high end back up at a great cost. Also, 9 draft picks will not make this team, so here's hoping they use some to trade up and come away with 5 players.

Yeah I hear ya, but we lost in the playoffs because our corners blew and we had zero pass rush. Had nothing to do with our offense. Valid points, but we should used all of those picks to try and find a high end QB, or better skill players etc. Coaches was just a lost cause.

I mean even going back Wood, Levitre were good. Peters was an all pro. Cordy Glenn was good. John Miller, Ford, Cyrus Kouandjio all terrible. Recently it has been better. But, good or bad, it never got us anywhere. There just isn't enough upside in drafting solid meh players.

Yeah I don't think Ike will play this year, but I am glad he is back. I like the player a lot. This has nothing to do with Bates imo. Probably a minimum salary to rehab.

See I think they can get Turner for way less than that. Turner signed with Pitt for 1 year 3 million and had a meh year. For the Bears it is a steep overpay at 6.5 if that is indeed the number. Again I really like Bates, but that is approaching top 15-20 money. If the Bears were going to do that they should have just kept James Daniels at 8.75 per. Daniels is younger with way more experience and pedigree.

Yeah I don't agree with the process. They traded an all pro left tackle for a pick they used on a solid center who was the third best center in the draft. It just isn't a great use of assets especially since they could have drafted Max Unger in round 2. There just wasn't enough upside to justify the pick. I get that Wood was a solid player, but drafting solid is why we were so mediocre for so many years.

Here is the thing. All draft picks are pretty much boom or bust. Some positions have a higher bust rate than others. There are some great defensive ends and then there are bust defensive ends. Same with receivers, corners, etc etc. But with those positions the boom is there with the bust. With IOL, there is no boom. There is solid or bust. It just isn't a position that has a ton of upside and so that is why I always say no to IOL in the first, unless we are talking generational players, or if you have multiple first round picks. Same rule applies to RTs imo. Who affects the game more? TJ Watt or Quentin Nelson? The answer is always going to be Watt. I want the possibility of some boom with my bust, not meh with my bust.

You don't. And the names on the list prove it. Vera-Tucker, Chris Lindstrom are very good. Their teams still blow. Quentin Nelson is a generational first ballot hall of fame player drafted in the top 5. As good as he is, the team can't win consistently. You think the Colts would rather have, say Josh Allen instead? Zach Martin started really good and has been meh the last few years. Team still can't win in the playoffs. DeCastro was a solid player for a short career, but was never amazing. And Zetler has had a good career. His teams never won anything. But in context, when you look at some of the players they passed on that year, Lavonte David, Harrison Smith, and Bobby Wagner...It wasn't the right move. Kelechi Osemele was better than both of those guys and went in round 2. Brandon Brooks, probably one of the best in the league went in round three. Garnett was a bust. Alex Leatherwood was an overdraft who was the weakest link on his team. Tytus Howard was a bust who was drafted as a LT and moved to guard. He was so bad the Texans mortgaged their future to replace him with Tunsil. Peat is terrible and was drafted as a tackle. Flowers and Tomlinson have moved from team to team a number of times. Flowers was drafted as a LT and a huge bust. Tomlinson has been ok. Just signed with his third team. Many the guys on the list were very bad decisions and 2013 is exhibit A why you never do it. Pugh is the only one still starting in the league. He was drafted as LT was considered a bust. Saved his career by moving to guard. Kyle Long was ok for a short period. Then look at the highest paid guards in the league: Scherff was drafted as a tackle who moved to guard. He has been excellent, but his team never won anything. Joe Bitonio was a second round pick, drafted as a LT who moved to guard. Team has never won anything. Joe Thuney was a third round pick. Wyatt Teller obviously 5th round and traded by his original team. Team has never won anything. PFF loves Michael Onwenu who went in the sixth round. It is the easiest position to fill. teams regret when the spent high draft picks on this position.

Yeah that is definitely a very high number when you factor the market for guards and the fact that Bates has only started in a few games. There was competition, but not alot. I think The Bears just fell in love with him and he has connections in the team. But he is very young with upside and it isn't a big risk for the Bears when they have a QB on the rookie contract. But 6.5 puts him in the top 20 of guard salaries. 4.5 to 5 is fair, but it is going to be an overpay.

FYI the draft hats look like crap. As usual.

You mean Donte "HITNER" God I hated that guy. Should have been Haloti Ngata.

Alex Anzalone and his Ken doll look and flowing blonde hair will become a huge star in this. Dan Campbell is likely a pretty interesting guy. Aaron Glenn will steal the show imo.