Kelly the Dog

Experienced head coaches get to tell GMs what to do. First timers don't.

Yep. If Peterman can make all those throws then I think he can be a good starter. I fear he can't because guy's like Mayock say he's a career backup, and with all his other very good qualities, of which there are many, there seems to be no reason he lasts to the fifth. Guys like that get overdrafted not underdrafted. It was the same thing IMO with Rob Johnson. He had ALL of the tools that scouts love. Big arm, big stats, big school, could run, legendary high school coach as dad, pro offense. Except for some reason the scouts knew he wasn't a good QB, and he fell in the draft to the fourth round. Those guys always move up not down.

Yeah, when I say no chance I mean no chance of being a top level NFL starter for years let alone franchise guy. Not that he has no chance winning a job or winning a few games. I will admit, I didn't see a lot of Peterman. I have watched a lot of clips and didn't see what I think is requisite arm strength. If he has Kirk Cousins arm strength his ceiling is Kirk Cousins, which I think is slightly less than franchise guy. Some fans are fine with a Kirk Cousins, and I understand that. I am not. I don't think he can win it all. There are all just opinions. I said it in this thread above that the reason IMO that Peterman actually went lower in the draft than expected, even though he has two dozen things going for him in his favor, is because scouts and GMs knew he could never do it. Mayock, my favorite of the pundits, said he has a good chance to be a long time number two. That's a valuable commodity in the NFL, backup QB. But that's not the same as a guy who can be your man. If he's Frank Reich, great. But we want a Jim Kelly.

Some of those show he had plenty of arm.

Steve Walsh is the perfect example. He had no chance.

I said weak arm. Now you guys are saying "doesn't have a rocket." Lol. I have not changed my stance at all. Weak arm is weak arm. The examples given, Gannon and Johnson did not have weak arms. At all. Brady maybe. But you're talking about the arguably best QB ever.

No real or traditional GM is going to come here without control over the roster and draft.

Possible. I was going on what I was watching early on and watching now, not scouting reports. Brady clearly has a stronger arm now. And surely his first couple years he was mostly only throwing short passes. But I don't recall thinking he cannot get the ball downfield when he has to.

Yeah I said I thought his arm was good enough. But the scenario is the same. Guys with weak arms will look great in camp and preseason because the game is not played at top speed. The same way Edwards would. And it is only when that microsecond difference can be seen that you know he can't play and win at this level.

There are a few examples, not many, of players whose arm strength noticeably increased over the years. Brady had decent arm strength (low end but just good enough) when he started. Over the years he got significantly stronger. Now he can gun it anywhere. Not a lot of examples of that. See above. He's one of very few. Not sure I can think of another. He went from barely enough to pretty strong. If Peterman is as strong as Brady I guess he has a chance. I haven't even seen that yet.

He was a perfect example in one way, although I thought his arm was just strong enough. He couldn't handle pressure either. But the reason he is a great example was he would look great in camp and preseason when the game is played at a slower speed. It was an amazing thing you don't often see but Edwards wowed Chan Gailey in camp and preseason being so accurate and completing passes when the real bullets weren't flying. Then he played two regular season games, Chan realized he couldn't do it at that speed, and didn't bench him he just cut him. Because he knew Edwards would never be able to do it. Very similar with the weak arm. Yep.

The knock on them both was they didn't have the requisite arm strength. And it's showed to be their downfall since before they got into the league. Guys like that are terrible for your team because they will look good in camp and in preseason which is not played at regular season speed. So they are total teases.

Yep. Plus how they throw. Fitzy had barely enough arm. And he had to wind up and throw it like a baseball with all his might to do even that. Which was a fraction of a second that took longer to get there from the time he decided to throw and the ball got there. The reason it's essential in the NFL is because the DBs are so quick and fast, and what worked in college simply doesn't work in the NFL. If you cannot throw the deep out with enough oomph it's almost impossible to succeed.

That's a new stat that doesn't seem to work yet. Like, for instance, Glennon also threw 49 and he has a very good arm.

Perhaps. I have seen a bunch of tape on him. I didn't see any sign of a strong throw that betrays weak arm. I watched a tape this morning of every single throw in his best game against Clemson and there wasn't one sign of a strong enough arm. I could be wrong and would like to see a few throws that show NFL adequate arm strength. I hope I'm wrong, I want him to be a star. He seems like if he had an NFL arm he would have been a round one pick because there is a ton to like about him. In fact, the fact he wasn't drafted even as high as the predictions, like the third or so, proved to me that his arm is very, very, very suspect.

Nope. I said weak arm. Those two did not have weak arms. At all. They didn't have huge arms but they had NFL arms. Inarguably.

They both had more than adequate arms. Gannon had a pretty good one. Easily far better than what I have seen from Peterman, who seems to be in the Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore category.

Fine, I will rephrase it. There hasn't been a weak armed quarterback that wasn't also one of the greatest quarterbacks ever for 15 years with a good arm and surefire first ballot hall of farmer to win anything.

He doesn't count in any way after having 15 years of experience having a good arm, not to mention that because of his weak arm he sucked and they won in spite of him.

There hasn't been a weak armed QB to win anything since Joe Montana.

I think our nation's President could probably run Canada, too, at the same time.

Thanks Doug. You will land on your feet and have a long career in this league. We don't know if you were great, good or you sucked. We don't really know if you liked EJ that much or hated TT that much. We don't know if you did or didn't get along with coaches except for that coksucker Marrone. Do you want another extension before you leave?

It's his highest aspiration.

Those things are what made him pitiful at the end where you felt sorry for him. Playing QB in the NFL requires about 25 different qualities and skills all at the same time and Pennington had almost all of them except his rag arm. When a player has almost all of them and still has a good arm he is a star or superstar every time.

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