Kelly the Dog

Great Robert Palmer album, way better than his popular stuff. Every song on it is good.

Yep. Good enough to get most of the job done. Yet to be seen if he can make all the throws. We may not even find out Sunday. Insufficient arm strength is not something that kills you every week.

I agree. Vast majority of women I know like him too. For a lot of reasons. But that is not going to stop McBeane from carrying out their plan.

Of course they consider it. But these two are extremely confident in themselves and their process and plan. Perhaps overconfident. And I think that’s already been shown if not proven. They don’t care what it looks like. This is a long term plan. And right now they haven’t failed yet. Just by this board and what is thought of Tyrod, the fan base or optics would not be bad if we backed into the playoffs and then lost right away, and then jettisoned Taylor not wanting to go forward or pay him 16 m or whatever it is. Regardless of what happened next.

Fitzy is a whole other problem though. He processes information faster but in order to get the proficient arm strength and velocity he has to wind up and throw it like a baseball, therefore losing back what he gained.

Thank you. Entirely true. I haven’t seen every throw Nate has made in college but I haven’t seen him make it. I’m not sure he can. Hopefully he can.

I think it's a ridiculous theory. These guys had no trouble trading away one of the three most talented players on the team for a second round pick. Then had no problem trading away another one of the three for a sixth round pick. They obviously have no problem disrupting the locker room or caring what the fans think, and they shouldn't care what the fans think. Even if we made the playoffs backing in and TT did not play well they would have no qualms or hesitance getting rid of him before next year, saying he has taken them as far as he could.

Arm strength is extremely important in the NFL and you cannot be a good consistent quarterback without it. It's not measured by the mph at the combine. A lot of it bleeds into how you release the ball, the spin you put on it/tight spiral and the consistency you can throw it that way. Peterman has yet to throw a pass that proves he has "good" arm strength. That 20 yarder to Benjamin did not. He has a LOT going for him. He will be able to hit some passes Sunday. He will get the ball out quick and he is already more accurate than Tyrod. What will be his success or downfall is the deep out and the 25-30 yard pass. If he cannot throw that pass with sufficient oomph he doesn't have a chance to be good enough. And if he cannot get the vast majority of his passes to come out clean with a tight spiral to make up for his slightly less than good arm strength completions he made in college will be incompletions or interceptions in the NFL. If they are out patterns they can be pick sixes. Some guys improve their arm strength as they get older. Brady did. Others have. It's not the norm. He doesn't have a strong arm. He does possess a bunch of high level NFL QB traits. Right now he's somewhere between Kirk Cousins and Kellen Moore. If he's closer to Moore he will fail. If he is closer to Cousins, that's likely his ceiling. Im excited to see what he can do.

Well, we have been fat the whole season.

I honestly don’t know. I try hard to take things as they are. Earlier today I saw a blurb from him on Twitter. Just a portion of his response. My reaction to that was that he isn’t happy. When I heard the whole thing it changed my mind a little to what I posted. That it was reasoned but I still think he didn’t like it. I also think that players are like fans at times that they make friends and like certain guys and their personal feelings bleed into their public positions. I would bet anything, without knowing for sure, that if it were up to Shady he would not have made this move and if you asked him who we have a better chance of winning this game and making the playoffs he would say Tyrod in a nanosecond.

My impression was it was both. He did sound like a grownup but it was evident imo that he wasn't happy at all. That's a thin tightrope to walk but I thought he did it well. I really like that guy, or who he has become at least.

Got it and agree all around. I just dont think a guy like Moore ever has a chance in this league and it has been repeatedly proven. I'm actually shocked that a few different teams have made him their backup before realizing his arm can't do it. They watch him in practice and preseason and he lights it up, but that is only because he can then. The game, or players, are at 75% speed.

Yep. We need to now for sure imo. And disagree completely on the two guys. Cousins is pretty good. Moore had no chance, never did and never was any good because of his arm. He can look awesome in practice and preseason but cannot do it in real games. If Moore had Cousins arm, which isn’t strong, he would be as good as Cousins.

Exactly. That's my only real worry about him. There are a lot of plays that enters into. He really hasn't even played one play yet at real NFL speed. None of preseason is. No practices are. Last week mop up wasn't. This is going to be completely new and hopefully he has enough oomph. If I had to bet it doesn't look that way to me. But I don't have to bet. Ha. It's possible for sure that he has just enough. I have yet to see it though. Maybe we will Sunday and the worry will lessen to a degree. To me, he's somewhere between Kirk Cousins and Kellen Moore. If he's Kirk Cousins or close to it he can be a good QB. If he's closer to Kellen Moore he has little chance.

Interesting and surprising. Thanks.

For example the first couple games they ran what seemed like what they ran the last few weeks. My guys and others here were screaming to play to TT's strengths a little more and run what I called the Jake Plummer offense. In the games 3-5 or so, they started to do that and we did pretty well. They ran a lot of boots and rollouts and some designed QB runs. We didn't score a lot but our offense moved. Then for an unknown reason they abandoned it. We did pretty well against the Raiders from the pocket. Then the first play of the Jet game they tried a naked boot and he got killed. And from then on pretty much everything has been from the pocket, with disastrous results. They should have ran the Jake Plummer offense from the start and continued it on. It was ridiculous to not let TT do what he does best and help the offense best, regardless of their plans for 2018 and beyond.

To me, Watson's arm was clearly superior to Peterman's and wasn't an issue. The fact it was to a lot of scouts, when it's better than Nate's should show you why NP was a fifth rounder.

I didnt see McD as the kind of coach to change his offensive strategy a few times in one season. I didn't see him as a coach to have such highs and such lows. I didn't see him as a coach to watch his team not stop the run or the pass and then not do much of anything to try to take at least one of them away.

Yeah, he is likely to make a couple really good throws like that. He's got a lot of talent. My worry is he makes just as many poor ones as good ones which come back the other way... OR... that the Chargers rush is good and their DBs just jump out and slant routes knowing he is not going to be able to have time to go through progressions. He should make some very nice throws though.

"Arm strength" as it applies to whether or not a guy hasn an NFL arm and "can make all the throws" has little to do with a 50 yard pass.

Maybe, maybe not. He played in four games in preseason and we didn't see one pass that proved he had it because he didn't try any. I don't think he will try many if any this week. I doubt he will even have the time. He doesn't have a total rag arm, which would be a total disqualifier, like a Kellen Moore does (and I have been guilty of calling Peterman's a rag arm at times, it's not). He's like a tweener. What we don't know yet is if it is strong enough to get by consistently in the NFL. I have big doubts but it's not a given either way. Some scouts thought so, some didn't. Some fans/press/professionals put more weight on arm strength than others. If it's strong enough he has a chance to be Kirk Cousins. Personally, I haven't seen it yet. And that is why he was drafted so late (because he clearly has a lot of QB talent). But it's just an opinion.

Depends on how long before the first pick six.

That is not a dart. That's a well thrown ball. I knew he could do that. He did that in college.

What it all comes down to, for me, is this: Peterman has a lot of talent and a lot of things going for him. His shortcomings, however, will likely get him killed. They do to most, if not the vast majority. It's not often but it surely happens, like, for example, everyone thought Russell Wilson's shortcoming would affect him and it just didnt. MOST of the time it does, however. If Peterman's shortcomings don't affect him, meaning his weak arm and inability to handle the rush, he has the chance to be pretty good. That is why he was a fifth round pick. He hasn't done ANYTHING so far in preseason or last week to show that is not the case. But it's possible. I wouldn't bet on it but there is a chance. Here's hoping.

Taking the Lord's name in vain?