Kelly the Dog

Good summary Virgil. i thought the OL wasn't as bad as other units considering pass blocking. I agree about the penalties though. They were killers. DuCasse just stinks. Mills and Miller are subpar. The OL coach, which is all on McD and who loves DuCasse is awful. The two guys Beane decided to sign when we lost Wood and Incognito were awful before, awful when we signed them and awful now. They didn't address the OL or WR. I know you cannot fix everything in one year but the effort of Beane and MCD to address the OL and WR is awful.

He also had a great ball for a long first down that was called back.

The guy I watch games with, who knows more football than me, immediately said the best part of that 3rd and 18 play was he threw the ball 25 yards or so. Usually our QBs will throw it 16 even when they make a nice escape like that. Really true. He throws it 25 yards on a rope with ease.

In mop up performances you cannot really say with any certainty whatsoever that a QB, any QB, would have been able to do that earlier in the game. It's possible he could but also just as likely or more that he couldn't. It's an unknowable no matter how much you know or don't about football. What you CAN see however are skills. Josh showed a lot of skills in his less than a half that Nate cannot do and it wasn't just arm strength. And yeah, perhaps he wouldn't have done that same thing against starters but arm strength, accuracy, poise or lack thereof in pocket, awareness, ability to throw on run, looking to second and third options are all skills that can be known in mop up duty whether that exact same performance would have happened against starters or when the game was still close or not.

I like McD and Beane for the most part. Right now I am pretty glad we have them. But the jury is still out. And one thing I have always worried about and crusaded almost on here is McD especially loves Boy Scouts. I think that a lot of McD's infatuation with Peterman is stuff about Nate as a person. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate. He's god fearing. He works hard off the field and in the off season. He's great in the film room. But he stinks when real bullets are flying and McD is seemingly blind to it. I don't know of a team in any sport that won't take on a non Boy Scout that has won. McD and Beane like and want and sign and play a certain kind of player, and I like those kind of players too. But you need stars to win. And we are at a disadvantage against the rest of the league if we are unwilling to sign or draft guys with questionable pasts, worse, McD rewarding inferior players and starting them because he loves the man. He's blind to Nate's deficiencies and it's a worry.

Yep. And as soon as the game started and real bullets flew you panicked.

Agree. He had some NFL qualities. Backup at best but he had some skills. Peterman cannot play in this league. Tuel couldn't either. I would take EJ as a backup now and EJ stinks.

I don't think he should be in the league but I could easily see a snow game situation where Josh is hurt for one game and Nate is the starter.

I like Mahomes but he would have not fared any better than Josh did today if he were on the Bills.

He threw a lot of very good balls. A few bad ones. Held the ball a little too long a few times. Made some mental errors. But there were 7-8 very good passes in there.

No he does not.

Hard to find a better situation. Reid as coach. Hunt at RB. Kelce at TE. Tyreek and Sammy outside. And the line is playing well.

If you put Josh on the Chiefs with Andy Reid and Mahomes on the Bills with McDermott the situations would very likely be reversed. The Chiefs have the very best collection of skill players in the league, with a good coach, and the OL has been giving Mahomes a lot of time. Mahomes would be running for his life like Josh was on the the Bills.

Fitzy is pretty much the best backup in the league. You don't want to bet your team on him at all as a starter but he is a terrific backup. Mahomes is having a nice game. He has a boatload of weapons and is getting a lot of time to throw but he looks good.

80?

Edmunds for a 20 year old rookie MLB on the road against the Ravens played great. He missed some tackles he needs to make. He took himself out of a few. But he really played well overall. There was a stretch in the middle of the game when on four consecutive plays I think he had a sack, a pass defensed, a tackle for loss and a forced fumble.

Benjamin had a terrible game. He looked disinterested. He dropped the TD and a couple others. He gave up on a couple passes. The interference penalty called on the Ravens was really a penalty on him (although I supposed you could argue that was a nice play, ha). He's really slow but we already knew that. I don't see an reason why every throw to him should not be short or back shoulder and just let him jump up.

Yep. I like McD and Beane a lot for the most part. But I am still scared, and will be until shown otherwise (which I mostly expect) that they know anything about offense. Last year everyone pretty much regressed. Dennison and Castillo were terrible hires. Tolbert and those kinds of guys were awful. We got rid of Sammy, Woods and Goodwin for various reasons, some of which were good but we got rid of them all. Zay has not been good. DuCasse is a catastrophe. They got rid of Glenn. The loss of Wood and somewhat Incognito may have been noneof their doing but Bodine and Newhouse as FA replacements (and I know Newhouse is a OT mostly) were bad players to begin with that have lived up to their reputations. Josh could be their savior. I really like him. But so far their decisions on offense have been brutally bad.

Yeah, that was not a good throw at all. It was five yards short. But not a bad pass in the should have been an INT kind of play.

The snow game didn't show skills of any player in it because of the conditions. The mop up duty against the Saints doesn't really mean much (the same that Josh today really doesn't mean all that much, although they can showcase skills). The three times NP has played that meant anything were the Chargers game last year, the playoff game where his short stint showed the lack of arm strength on the INT, and today. Two of the three times were amongst the worst in NFL history. That looks like a possible trend.

All of that is true but it doesn't negate that NP really should not even be a backup IMO.

His stats didn't show his game at all. He did make some rookie mistakes but they were mostly under a heavy rush. He threw some great balls. The pass to Benjamin in the endzone should have been a TD. The 3rd and 18 completion for 20+ from the goalline was a great play. The pass to Croom that was dropped was a really nice ball. The one over the middle that was complete but called back for a hold I think was a great throw. He missed a few but threw a bunch of really nice balls and didn't make any terrible throws.

Peterman didn't get much help. There is no doubt about it. But to me, there were four or more reasons why he should not be playing and all of them were very evident today. The weak arm is obvious. But he doesn't throw well over the middle. He doesn't handle a pass rush well. His lack of being able to beat you down the field kills the run game. He also panics.

He got his third start too early. He shouldn't even be in the league. Great guy, great teammate, crappy quarterback.

I assume that he's active because Ray Ray isn't. But that said, if he wasn't going to play they would have made Lee active for a few short yardage blocking type plays. I also heard but never saw that Foster is pretty good on (non-returning) ST. That would make him more valuable.