Kelly the Dog

That was an incredibly bad pass by Nate. Benjamin was wide open and he missed him by about six yards. But KB was also called for interference on that play. It would have come back if it was a completion. But that was Nate's worst pass of the day.

Rodgers sat behind Farve. They had a stud already and didn't need to play him. Brady only played because Bledsoe got hurt. They had just given Bledsoe the first $100m contract in league history IIRC. It was a fluke. Brees was in a QB competition as a rookie and got beat out by 87 year old Doug Flutie.

I just meant he seem disinterested at times when Nate was in. No excuse whatsoever. But the Josh pass he had 100% effort and he just dropped it. No excuse for that either. But right after you could see he was pissed he didn't catch it. That wasn't a disinterested or loafing play, which is worse.

He was bad in a lot of ways. He rarely gets separation. He dropped one on a lob he should have caught. He loafed a couple times. The one TD from Josh he just dropped. It wasn't a lack of effort.

As my buddy said, if we signed Kaepernick and made him play behind this line it would be considered racist.

He was awful but not nearly as bad as Peterout. KB was bad. Nate was historically bad.

I take that back. You and 26 were right. I just went back and watched it and the defender in front was a lot closer than I thought. I was watching the game live and saw the play and it looked like a perfect pass to be but hit him in stride and he ran in untouched. I didn't watch the replay. Again, you guys were right. It was a great pass. I like Mahomes. I think he's going to put up huge numbers. Hard to think of another guy in the league set up to do so except maybe Goff who has a bunch of good players and a genius coach.

He wasn't drafted and he didn't do anything in preseason. Why would anyone automatically put him on their 53 without trying him out? Not to mention that even if someone claimed him we could have still signed him and convinced him to stay.

I thought it was routine. Nice pass but he was wide open. Not like he had to put it over one guy and under another. Or thread a needle. It hit him on the run. Really nice pass. But not real hard let alone spectacular.

It's tough to know the real story with Coleman. The $3m bothers me but I don't really think they are going to spend the money they have. Obviously they knew about the 3m beforehand, and the 7th rounder two years from now is nothing for the flyer. I just think that MCDermott's insistence on Boy Scouts hurts the team more than it helps it. And they didn't like his attitude in two weeks so they weren't willing to wait on him when they could have cut Foster and signed him to the PS in case Coleman didn't work out. If Coleman was such an ass that he didn't bother to learn the playbook then Beane should have known that and never made the trade.

All three of our starting WR were awful. That doesn't excuse Nate's play, which was horrid. But all three had glaringly bad games.

The only person who fits my description on the Browns was Joe Thomas, and he retired before this season.

Because after you get the crap beat out of you you like when someone who never fights shivs you?

And he still made a singular awful play that basically cost seven points.

I think Holmes eventually recovered it but his foot was OB before that. I thought it was the right call.

He doesn't really know how to make a decent pass at one, nor is he good in the sack.

The AJ signing was pretty cheap and a decent idea. The mistake was playing Nate, which wasn't Beane's call. I thought all along that they should start Allen, get him some experience and AJ is a mediocre but decent backup on a cheap contract. That wasn't a bad idea. After one game there there is no way to evaluate Star and Trent Murphy. Neither played well but it is one game. Newhouse and Bodine were terrible signings. They weren't good players before, and they have shown that since. Not addressing the OL seriously even though he was dealt a bad hand with Wood and Richie, is inexcusable. Combined with McD not keeping our guy who beats up teenagers on pool lounges for Juan Castillo who is awful, is a double whammy. The Coleman trade to me isn't really fair to criticize too much unless you didn't think it wasnt worth it when it happened. The fans were the ones so excited about the apparent steal. I think Beane and McD knew there was a good chance that Coleman was not going to make the team, and the $3m risk was worth it at the time. That said, not having any legit speed guy, which necessitated the trade, was on Beane and McD. They didn't address a glaring weakness. Beane and McDermott have yet to prove they know anything at all about offense. I do like Josh and if he is good that goes a LONG way, but the 20 or so moves so far, not counting Josh, have been awful.

Yep. The team kind of gave up after the first quarter. Surely there were individual plays made. And a bunch of guys trying. But both offense and defense looked like Nate looked. Shell shocked.

Completely untrue. I was skeptical about Peterman because of what I saw in college and because of his draft position. He was drafted there for a reason and most of it was because he had a suspect arm. When I saw him in preseason I didn't at all see what others did. He just wasn't good. He threw weak. He didn't throw well on slants and over the middle. All of the stuff that made him a 5th round pick were obvious. I said here 100 times show me one play when he did this or that and it was crickets.

That's not the point. It's not fair to them. And if either of them thought that was the case they would demand to be traded (Shady) or retire immediately (Kyle)

While what you say is true, there were many, many people here, most of the best minds IMO, that said way before the Charger game that Nate couldn't play or cut the mustard. And thought he is nowhere near ready or could ever be ready before that game.

I know there were extenuating circumstances, and I know we couldn't realistically pay what the Chiefs, Rams and 49ers did. But could you imagine Sammy, Woods and Goodwin along with Shady and the TEs with Josh flinging it all over?

You don't convince Kyle to come back and waste one of Shady's last prime years if you're tanking.

No. I have strong opinions. I express them. I'm wrong a bunch of times but they aren't facts they are opinions. The very best thinkers in the NFL are wrong maybe 40% of the time. Predicting the NFL is hard. There is no such thing as a guy who consistently hits most let alone all of his draft picks. It's like baseball. If you're a .333 hitter you're one of the best in the league, but it still means you are out two out of three times. The Peterman thing was obvious to me. But I even said here a bunch of times in the last few weeks if he can show a little more arm strength, if he can show when real bullets fly he can do what he did with rubber bullets then maybe I misjudged him. I predicted in the Peterman stats thread he would be way way better than this. But all five things I was worried about and said before the game came true today. I just don't see how McD can face his veterans and play this guy.

Actually he did beat out Peterman in preseason. You and most others and McD just didn't see it. Allen showed he could allow the entire play book. Nate showed he could allow half. Allen showed he could throw short, medium and long, left, right and middle. Nate didn't show half of that, he just excelled at the half he could do. Allen was much better runner and scrambler and throwing into tight windows.