Kelly the Dog

He had an 18 yard punt.

I agree with 95% of that. There have been a couple contested catches, at least three by Benjamin. But for the most part they hardly ever make them. But that just wasn't a drop. I'm not blaming Peterman for their crappy play, I'm saying he doesn't do hardly anything to lead this team. He plays scared. Teams take away half the field. Teams put 8 in the box and press coverage all game long and he refuses to go up top to make them back up. He's playing awful and they are playing awful.

Injured. Hurt his hammy in first quarter.

Colton Schmidt can back strong with an 18 yard punt.

Dude can tip and drop the ball, bro.

No question. They are godawful. That is the coaches and Beane's fault. But that doesn't mean NP doesn't suck.

Agreed. There is room to grow. Sure he throws four yard passes OB on third and seven, but In two years I bet those four yard passes on third and seven become six yard passes on third and seven.

He wasn't even all that good in the first game. Sure he showed some moxie. Sure he threw some decent passes. But the first one was one of the worst passes ever for a pick six. People gave him a lot of credit for coming back from that. But it happened. He looked good scrambling and avoiding the rush and throwing some ten yard darts. He was pretty good at best.

The coverage was completely tight all game and there was no running game because they knew he couldn't beat them more than ten yards down the field. He was awful the whole game. Benjamin is terrible but that endzone pass was not really a drop, very very few in the league make that catch. The DB got his hand right into the ball before he could pull it in. It was a good defensive play. Very good pass into triple coverage but it wasn't really a drop. Hardly anyone could hold onto that ball when it is pumched out like that. The INT that were unlikely bounces were not good passes or drops, they were just bad bounces. The second one was a bad pass.

Hanging out with you two was the best part of that whole game. How sad is that?! Yes. He was awful. Sure he had some drops. Sure two of the three INTs were bad bounces. But he was terrible. Anyone can throw five yard passes. He is no threat whatsoever. He was scared to throw a Hail Mary for crissakes. Third and six he throws a five yard pass OB. Third and long he throws a six yard pass. He was terrible.

He's not, but it's incredible to me that he even has to answer that question seriously. It's not even close actually. Half the field is completely unavailable to Peterman. He would have to be twice as good as Anderson in the short game just to be Anderson's equal, and Anderson stinks.

Absolutely. The Bills are playing with a handicap because McDermott only wants certain kinds of players. If that is going to be the case, it better be some sort of advantage to you if it's going to also be a disadvantage. But we are not getting any of the advantage to that. These guys get disheartened (for good reason), they don't always try, they get all kinds of undisciplined penalties, they are extremely inconsistent, etc.

This cracked me up...

I actually think the Rex teams were more disciplined than this team. For such a disciplinarian and guy who insists on football character these guys are ridiculously undisciplined in a lot of different ways.

Peterman didn't even throw the Hail Mary on the Hail Mary situation and Hail Mary call. That was incredible.

Well before. One of the originals. And arguably the best. A lot of posters were on here before Donahoe. And a lot who have followed the team since the sixties. . But you knew that. Others don’t.

It's hard to argue with anything you said in theory. That said, if the Bills would have fired the nine coaches since Marv after one or two years instead of three, we may be ahead now. There is a great argument for saying that you have to give good coaches time, even three to five years, before they can genuinely be evaluated. But most coaches suck. They are left to do their jobs way too long. I would argue that each of the nine coaches should have been fired earlier than they were. Sure, you need to give new regimes time to do what they need to do, but not if they suck. Not if they don't know what they are doing. I don't at all think McDermott should be fired now. Or Beane. At all. They need the rest of this year and all of next year to see if they have this franchise on the right path. But there is a huge reason to believe they are not the right guys. McD clearly knows defense. There is nothing to believe they know a thing about offense outside of pure hope. They have made a LOT of terrible decisions on offense from day one to right now. It's possible they will turn it around. It's possible they are building a good team for the long run. I gave them the benefit of the doubt like I would anyone. But 90% of their decisions so far on offense have been terrible. There is zero reason to trust the process on offense. That doesn't mean they need to be fired. But the handling of the offensive coaching from top to bottom, the handling of the QB position, the handling of the WR position, as well as the TEs, is downright scary. Like, horrible.

The Patriots offense works because of the unique skills of Brady. There is no reason for anyone to believe that bringing that offense to inferior players, when Brady is a wizard at laser short passes DIRECTLY on the money and run, which can kill teams at any time, so no one really tries to stop their run, which is 100% because of Brady, will transfer to QBs like Nathan Peterman is criminal. You cannot do it. There probably isn't any team in the NFL that could run the Patriots offense with optimal success. Aaron Rodgers is better in his system than he would be in the Patriots system. Peterman is actually not good at all at slants over the middle. He never has been. Outside of the out pattern it's the worst of his skill set. He's very often behind or high, Brady is incredible at right on the money for YAC. If Daboll thought either Peterman or Allen could excel in the Patriots offense then he should be fired now. McCarron would be the only of the three that could run that offense. That said, I doubt Daboll believed the Bills could run the Patriots offense, for, like, six or more reasons. We don't have Brady's accuracy. We don't have good pass blocking. We don't have sure handed receivers who excel at YAC. We don't have receivers who run precise routes. We don't have receivers that break tackles. We don't have great coaches that change game plans to exploit weaknesses in the opposing defense. It's endless. McDaniels and Weis had little success after leaving the Patriots. Unless you have a ridiculously precision passer, of which there are about three total in the league, AND a freak GM evil genius drafter who knows the unique qualities for OL that will work in his system and coaching but not likely in others, it will fail.

I have been watching the Bills for over 50 years. A lot of incredible crappiness for a lot of reasons. Counting coaching from top to bottom, the QBs, the RBs (which I like), the TE, the WR, and the OL, this is easily the worst aggregate offense I have ever seen. Even on much worse teams. The 84-85 Bills were the worst in the history of the franchise, even worse than the late 60s, early 70s teams. This team as a whole is WAY better than those teams. But trotting out these players at all five positions compared to the rest of the league, is the worst I have ever seen. And it's not hyperbole. And to think that Nate Peterman is our starting QB and they bring in Matt Barkley as his backup, is extremely troublesome. Of course there are no good answers. Of course no one they sign will really make a difference in one or two weeks. But thinking Matt Barkley is the best available QB of all the 50 crappy alternatives is downright scary. He's Nathan Peterman 1.0. This is really something to worry about, because it's CLEAR that they don't know what the problem with Nathan Peterman is.

Chances are extremely high that Nick Mullens stinks. Carry on.

Because there were two Gibraltar sized caveats attached to them that you ignored. I’m done arguing with you.

That would be stupid.

I’m only taking those three plays. No rush at all and no one covering a guy ten yards away Peterman can make. I don’t even think he belongs in the league and he can make those three throws.

Do you know anything about football? No one covered the receiver on two of the TDs. No one. Any player can make those throws. The 72 yarder was a terrible decision and lousy throw.

Well, I didn't say for which team... But yes, Peterman would have very likely thrown those same two TD passes under the same circumstances and Peterman sucks as you know.