Kelly the Dog

Very, very few get in a position to even attempt that throw. Thank you for noting something that has less than zero relevance to the question.

There was no one on him. I agree that maybe a year or two from now both guys will know what the other will do. But Zay was wide open on the sit, too.

You may be right. That's not how I interpreted what they all said. It didn't appear to be a -- if they do this, we do that pattern. It appeared to be a specific pattern that Zay broke off because the endzone was so wide open. Those are two different issues. I don't think Josh misread the coverage.

That's not really true IMO. It was an accurate pass. The pattern called for him to sit. The pass went right to that spot, a couple yards behind Zay. But it's where he was supposed to be. He didn't stop. The "miscommunication" was that Josh didn't know Zay was going to continue to the middle of the endzone which was wide, wide open and a year or two from now they both would know he would break off the pattern. But the fact is Josh threw the ball right where he expected Zay to be and the play called for Zay to be. Zay kept running because he was wide open.

From what the players said along with McD after the game, the pattern was for Zay to sit in the endzone, which is right where Josh threw it, expecting him to sit and not keep running. Zay saw a wide open endzone so he didn't sit he kept running to the open space. Josh said, diplomatically IMO, that he should have known that Zay was going to go to this wide open space and throw it accordingly. Zay basically admitted that he kept running when Josh thought he was going to stop. They both, admirably, took responsibility for it. But the real point is that the main criticism of Josh is that he is inaccurate at times, and misses throws he needs to make, and that was a horrible misfire to a wide open WR that should have been a TD. But it turns out regardless of who's fault it was (the pattern called for him to stop, not continue), that it was a very accurate pass and not a very inaccurate pass.

Really great play design and play call by Daboll. Nice to see Josh take a lot off the ball when he saw DiMarco wide open.

I'm just curious. It doesn't matter to you to learn that it wasn't a missed pass by Josh when it appeared to be? It's a TD though. Those matter. It was four points. We lost by four points.

I referenced that but he was being diplomatic. If you think about what he said, he inferred that he should have known Zay was going to not do what the play called for. In his PC, McD inferred that Zay was supposed to sit.

I assume most everyone had the same reaction that I did after the play and even the replay. Terrible pass. Josh just missed a wide open Jones in the end zone. He's GOT to make that pass. He missed a couple others in the game and he had a bunch of really solid if not great throws. But the "inaccuracy" tag put on him still haunts him, and he does miss some balls that he needs to hit. But... When I heard from McD, Zay and Josh about what actually happened on that play, it wasn't an inaccurate pass it was a perfect pass. Zay was expected to sit on the route, and that is where Josh threw it. Josh was being diplomatic in his interview, saying that he should have known Zay was going to continue instead of sitting because there was so much open endzone but it is clear that it was not at all an inaccurate pass, it went exactly where he wanted it. To me, that knowledge, has a big affect on the overall game Josh had in my perception. I thought he had a very good game overall but missed several throws. The fact that the biggest misfire was not a misfire, and would have been his third TD to Jones makes a substantial difference in my grading of the game. A lot of times we as fans don't know this kind of stuff, and our evaluations and biases suffer because of it.

Actually somewhat of a freak play in the pocket. I remember when RG3 came into the league and started running all over I thought that dude is going to get on IR quick. He's got stick legs and he runs reckless. When Russell Wilson came into the league and started running I thought the exact opposite. If you look at that guy he is built like a tank. He isnt going to get hurt running. Even Tyrod I rarely worried he was going to get hurt running any more than he would staying in the pocket (which is when these guys get hurt). Tyrod is extremely well built and strong. He's the exact same size as a lot of RB in the league, like 6'1" 215. Josh is not only huge but country strong.

That is just a terrible take by that writer.

He's huge though. He's bigger than most RBs. They run 20 times a game and a few get hurt. Josh has much more chance of being hurt in the pocket IMO than running. He barely got touched today running.

He's as big as linebackers. He's not going to get hurt being hit by a linebacker 10 yards down the field versus five yards behind the line if he doesn't run. I think it's a ridiculous argument.

Of course. But IMO if he never ran he would have as much more of a chance of getting hurt standing in the pocket on those 9 plays and getting crushed a bunch of times than when he takes off running. QBs get hurt because their leg is planted and then they get hit low, or someone rolls into their leg when under a strong rush. Josh is bigger and just as tough as most running backs. RG3 ran too much because he was a pencil thin reckless guy who was an injury waiting to happen in the NFL. Josh is a freak.

People are (rightly) saying he shouldn't run so much. But he barely got hit on any of his runs. I can only remember one. He will likely get hurt throwing from the pocket like he did earlier in the year than running. He ran extremely smart and well today.

EVERY receiver ran a deep pattern. He knew that. If he stood in the pocket one more second it would have collapsed on him before he threw. People are arguing that it was a poorly designed play since they really only needed the 11 yards and not a TD, but there would not have been a WR or TE open if he stayed in the pocket a little longer.

But he didnt dive for it. He stumbled and tripped over his own feet. Then lunged.

It's wrong IMO to say a pass that was 55 yards in the air, running the opposite way, all the way across the field, AFTER running 30-40 yards to avoid the rush that hits the receiver in two hands and would have been a pretty easy catch if that receiver didnt trip himself, is 'highly inaccurate."

He just avoided the rush three separate times and threw it across his body rolling left 55 yards! Jesus.

It's very encouraging that he is getting better and doing different things. He's throwing the ball away right at the last half-second. He's going through progressions. He's changing his velocity and lobbing the ball instead of gunning it when necessary (although not always but he is doing it more). He threw some bad passes today but also threw a ton of good if not great ones. And a lot of times we don't really know what was the real reason for the incompletion. I thought it was a bad pass to Zay in the endzone when he was wide open, but it turns out that Zay was supposed to sit on the pattern not continue it. Josh threw it exactly where he was supposed to and it would have been an easy TD. It looked like he misfired and people will B word about his inaccuracy but that wasnt the case. It was a great throw.

I think it's about 60-40 on Clay. Maybe 55-45. He has to make that catch.

He threw it from the 40, between the hash and the sideline, ACROSS the field which is 35 yards. If he threw it straight, on the left side of the field, it would have been 40 yards. It goes to the other hash mark on the other side of the field. It's at least 55 yards in the air.

Watch the play a bunch of times. He throws it about 60 yards in the air. He's on the 40, still running and throws it to the goalline across his body on the opposite hash mark. And again, Clay can see it all the way. He DOESNT dive for the ball, he stumbles with no one near him. He's running back for the ball well before it gets there and he tackles himself but STILL GETS TWO HANDS on it. He has to make that catch. He admitted he stumbled and admitted he should have caught it.

He also had just run about 30 yards, eluded three different rushers, and only saw Clay at the last second, stopped and threw all the way across the field. Mosty QBs couldn't even get that ball there. Yes, it was not a good throw, yes it was wobbly, but it was a tremendous play and the ball got there. If Clay doesnt fall on his own, it's a much easier catch. But he still should have caught it.

Clay even said he stumbled and should have caught it. Clay had all day to come back for it. AND he had two hands on it.