RichRiderBills

He was taking speed rushes outside and getting taken out of the play almost every time. His inside move was not there. He generated some pressure a couple times. I thought he may have been a liability out there with all our talent at DE.

What didn't help us is his shotgun runs started to work in the 4th quarter. Thought the play calling was too easy to defend. Drop backs for high risk throws , poorly executed runs up the middle. Phins just gashed them outside, why we didn't exploit this or at least explore it was so stubborn. Dorsey wants to win one way, and he cares too much about style points.

Let's not forget he also had a critical drop in OT of Jets game. He has been terrible this season as a pass catcher.

Thought Knox drop was bumble of the game. He just constantly blows clutch plays.

We had a few short fields for punts

He is so quick to ditch the pocket. Panics.

They talked about that yesterday on OBL Chris and Steve were basically Homers....said they understood the call ..did not compute. The threshold for that play , the standard for possession was clearly not met. Consistently you have to have that in the hands or bread basket a significant time longer to imply possession. That or the "football move" a clear overt act, a roll over, a juke , a tuck away. None of this was met. Not even close. The ball did not even stop or settle on his hands. The ball was instantly knocked and stripped....it did not meet the norm and standard for that play. This is why even the apologist TV ref was like "that's a new one for me". BTW, the ground can't cause a fumble but it sure as heck can cause an incompletion. It was a terrible, terrible call, and Steve/ Brownie being so ho hum about that call was frustrating.

Not like we lost to the Bears or anything, Jags are a top AFC team. The game was close. We nearly won despite playing bad. I don't buy that the Jags dominated or the score didn't indicate how close it was. We will be fine.

Chiefs will lose more games. They almost lost today and to the Jets.

Jones scares me more w his legs. Tyrod not as fast these days. I watch all the games too. Jones is meh. But Tyrod is nothing to fear.

We will see how Poona Ford can do in for Jones, we had a top defense for huge stretches without Tre. Elam, Benford and Jackson without Hyde beat KC last year. No answer for Milano. Defense will take a hit. ...but we still have talent all over the ball. Groot, Lawson, Benford back...Von will get healthier.

He's just not. 2018 Tyrod is long gone. He looked horrible in preseason. I was surprised he made the team.

Just stop....we are 1 game out of 1 seed . One game! Chill. Injuries will hit everyone. Miami QB has never played more than 13 games, then it gets cold. KC is just Mahomes and Kelce slinging it around. We keep our game straight, win one game at a time, damn good chance at 9-2 or 8-3 headed into the tougher games.

I just don't agree here. D had better moments but couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. Kept O on the sidelines. Team loss.

Here was my summary from 2nd half thread...thought I'd post here: A few calls I'll note: - 1st TD was no good. Zay's real time TD seemed to show significant bobble and jostle out of bounds that was cut off in all replays. Play did not seem to be reviewed. - Want to add the hands to the face on the Bills that extended that early drive was also ticky tack. - The jags 3rd down completion that was clearly an incompletion. No football move was completed, yet the terrible call was reviewed and mind numbingly upheld. A back breaker. -Kincaid 3rd down catch (2nd or 3rd drive) that was clearly a conversion, but called short. Mind you stunningly not challenged by McD. - A half a dozen holds on the Bills that were ticky tack. I thought most those Torrence holds late were bogus. Most of these had no replays , and if they did nothing stood out. -Several PIs that were ticky tack. - No call on the clear bat out of bounds on the Bills onside kick. It was obvious. It is a rule. - Just want to say that I think Hyde's defenseless hit PF "could" have been called. But again, a ticky tack call in a crucial down, given the movement on the ball. Just don't recall a game with such poor officiating. It was too much yellow, and 75% of them did not need to be called.

I am frustrated by today. But I want to keep folks positive. D is going to take a hit but will get Benford back, hopefully Ford can be a viable fill in for Jones. Offense is healthy. A bunch of AFC teams are 3-2 We still go out and beat teams we should beat and we are looking at like 9-2 going into the tough part of the season.

Yes, each drive was a mix of them making good plays on 3rd down, AND some bogus or ticky tack call The initial Zay TD was bobbled out of bounds and no catch. Terrible non call, w replay cutting out the bobble.

As an aside.... Just want to crap on the final sequence. I know game was mostly over. But ... :30 seconds to go for 40-50 yards for a shot at a hail Mary is doable. Why we threw over the middle hook and ladder type crap that early was yet another dreadful call and plan. Just shook my head. We've moved before on better teams....c'mon man.

I would not go so far as to say fixed, but it was supremely sculpted. It was not till the Bills were well behind the 8 ball that any calls went our way. Not to mention booth and TV crew lacked replays of many of the calls, or cut off replays before the proper perspective. Kurt Warner seemed the only guy not in on the deal. A few calls I'll note: - 1st TD was no good. Zay's real time TD seemed to show significant bobble and jostle out of bounds that was cut off in all replays. Play did not seem to be reviewed. - Want to add the hands to the face on the Bills that extended that early drive was also ticky tack. - The jags 3rd down completion that was clearly an incompletion. No football move was completed, yet the terrible call was reviewed and mind numbingly upheld. A back breaker. -Kincaid 3rd down catch (2nd or 3rd drive) that was clearly a conversion, but called short. Mind you stunningly not challenged by McD. - A half a dozen holds on the Bills that were ticky tack. I thought most those Torrence holds late were bogus. Most of these had no replays , and if they did nothing stood out. -Several PIs that were ticky tack. - No call on the clear bat out of bounds on the Bills onside kick. It was obvious. It is a rule. - Just want to say that I think Hyde's defenseless hit PF "could" have been called. But again, a ticky tack call in a crucial down, given the movement on the ball. Just don't recall a game with such poor officiating. It was too much yellow, and 75% of them did not need to be called.

This is flat out a ridiculous statement

Bills YAC struggles continue

Thought he got the 1st down another questionable call

Zay was still bobbling the ball out of bounds. Replays cut out before. Terrible roughing call. No replay of Oliver hands to the face.... This game starts to stink.

"body clocks off" sounds a lot like all those 1st round draft picks the Commanders had.....or that 70 Burger the Phins put on the Broncos.

Give me a break with the Chiefs. I'd say we have them literally 20/22 better players on their roster.