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That might be true. But he is also dumb as dirt under pressure.

It's hard to just force that. I think teams evolve naturally by drafting BPA, finding a unit's strength, and a coordinator that fits the bill. Maybe it's the Rex effect, but I'm tired of the front 7 just being whacked the last few years. Mimicking a team hurts if you're trying way too hard. Ray Lewis or Edmunds? Kuechly or Ragland? Rex would get Ray and Rags, McD would get Edmunds and Kuechly, and they'd both be wrong. That zone defense is something else, I don't know my X's and O's but the front 7 really didn't have much contribution to that. If you would have liked Ragland in a Rex defense maybe they'd have been better off transitioning slowly. We've never seen Ragland play for the Bills lol yet you just know.. he'd have sucked? What if in an alternate universe McD lands on a team with small, slow Ray Lewis and is like "nah I need em all fast and big gimme some crappy free agents that sorta look like the ones I used to have." Bad coordinating. Whatever, we got Edmunds, I think he's a beast, go bills! Just complaining about 2017. trading a 1st round graded guy from a position group that really sucked in hindsight. Not much reason to release him. Could have Ragland and Edmunds now. You think Ragland would have sucked with 100% certainty. I think he had a good year with another DC and could of had a good year here if we aren't brainfarting about changing schemes day 1 at the job.

well Ramon Humber didn't do that and they had a bad DLine to boot. I'd have rather had Ragland than Humber. You do realize that has does not prevent us from drafting Edmunds. Cool, I see what McD wants to do NEXT year. Listen to what I'm saying.. why did we trade away Ragland last year when our linebackers weren't that good? What did McDermott's linebackers do last year?? He wasn't in Carolina lol. McDermott's brilliant I just wish he had adapted to our run defense. You're acting like it's fine to say "well these guys can't play the way I want to play! Screw it, let's just scrap em all. I can't use this front 7 this year because I need linebackers to cover scrape and make tackles and they need to be unblocked." I love me some Edmunds, but what happens IF things don't go as planned and he's not playing well? "Eh McD gets another pass because he hasn't found Kuechly yet." 31 other teams haven't found Kuechly yet.

What do his LB's do? Not much from last year.

I can only do thumbs up

Preach. If a talented player doesn't play well for you, goes over to Jax or any other situation and does play well.. it's a poor reflection on your ability to bring out the best in your employees. Ability to maximize high maintenance but highly talented employees shows your ability as a manager/coach.. anything in life.

I don't trust THE PROCESS I trust good GM moves

Sure. But why dump rookie contracts for late rounders. Really wouldn't have hurt to have had Ragland rotating for Humber and LorAx.. scheme or no scheme he's cheap and 1st round grade and there's always a situation for a good player in-game. Unless it is THE PROCESS (our feeble explanation of dumping talent)

Bad contract THE PROCESS. I motion for mods to mandate every OP has to include THE PROCESS. Let's create Bills propoganda on TBD. He was.. in the rotation for the Panthers last year. Sorta like we had Adolphus "rotating in" is Adolphus a bust? Though he was gonna be a solid player. But that draft looks really bad now. Scheme shouldn't stop players from displaying talent if they're for real.

this is gooood

not the best move. I'd take a GM who uses 2 firsts for Sammy than a GM who uses 2 firsts for Leodis McKelvin and Aaron Maybin. The move would look a little bit better if we weren't so gung-ho on getting rid of him.It's okay to accommodate to a primadonna sometimes.. If he's asking for more targets why the heck not, we weren't exactly turning heads with our offense during his stint. I like flashy players. That's my confession. I'd take ODB, Chad Johnson, TO (over Randy Moss cause he didn't care to play hard sometimes, TO never took it off), the cockiest QB? Like.. Cam Newton. Definitely Pat Mcafee, Aqib Talib, Le'Veon Bell, Blount, Josh Norman, Brandon Marshall, Darelle Revis, Bart Scott.. Owner/GM by old school Al Davis, John Madden running a loose ship.. I'd take Marquette King in a hot minute, who doesn't want a punter that gets pumped up?? Mix it in a pot, put em in hard knocks, give em all the media attention in the world. And sit back and watch the worst locker room ****show. Would we be okay? I know in my heart of hearts it would be an incredibly underachieving team that self destructs and implodes real quick. And I would be entertained. Gimme a team full of the guy bringing his lunchpail to work, wearing a hard hat, blue collar, hard nose to the grindstone, head down, married man, watches more film than he interacts with humans.. and I'd be bored senseless if they don't make the playoffs. And nobody here would agree with me lol. I'd take 5 Allen Iversons over 5 LeBron James'. Cuz Iverson was a cool cat, and LeBron is.. a great human being, but wouldn't jump have a beer with him or hear him on a podcast. That's why JJ Watt is one of my least favorite players. 2nd confession here! He is the absolute worst because he clearly is "the guy bringing his lunchpail to work, wearing a hard hat, blue collar, hard nose to the grindstone, head down, married man, watches more film than he interacts with humans", which by itself would be fine. But he goes out of his way to prove it. "I spend the offseason in a log cabin in wisconsin" (A $1M house and land). "People shouldn't take selfies, and just be a MAN" //poses for Cosmo. "sorry JJ, I'm going to hang out at Marshawn's crib, he's got the new streetfighter and we're going to split a 12 pack, streetfighter's a video game JJ, video games are.. like simulations of FOOTBALL.. but you know, other stuff too. A 12 pack a beer JJ, I wasn't referring to abdominal muscles. I gotta go JJ, maybe next time."

Good read. Sorry, the thread title made me throw up a little in my mouth at first

Father's day is over guys, move along. (hate the artificial hallmark holiday, my dad tells me not to make the trip to visit because his idea of father's day is sleeping in until 3pm, walking around in underwear for maybe 3 hours for steaks to be made, and passing out again.. and not having to be perky if I visit lol.. anything else is just "work", "obligation" on YOUR day!.. and I agree with him 100%!)

Sammy wasn't, I'm trying to say he had the luxury to go for those routes every play with the underneath talent the Rams had. Sure Woods' not just moving the chains, but those crossing slot routes are pretty easy when the LBs are freaking out about Gurley, and the safeties are constantly trying to make sure they weren't getting burned by Sammy. Call it a decoy hahaha.. poor poor Sammy. We should all sit down and watch the Rams offensive tape lol, cause TBD is all over the place here.

The Rams clearly like 1 year deals. They didn't pick him up because they could get Suh, Peters, Talib, Sheilds, and Cooks on 1 year deals. Small risk, high return for the 1 year everybody is playing their butts off for their next team. I like the way the Rams are doing business, that's how I've always thought a win now team should be GM'd while their young talent is still on them rookie contracts. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see how the Rams GM style plays out this year. I said the same thing, I never really thought much of Goff as others seem to have thought during the year. I knew he improved. But then I checked his numbers and they were pretty great... But I still agree he's not nearly as good as his numbers. Gurley was in the MVP voting discussion folks. His stats are identical to Dak's rookie year with Zeke. Give a man a top 3 RB, and a half decent quarterback can move the chains and not be in a position to take risks (hurt dat all important passer rating). Dak regressed with like a direct correlation to Zeke's suspension, O-Line issues, running game in general.

QB's have great chemistry with WRs who get open no doubt. But second year Goff, knowing his running game and conservative passing would help win, likely was hesitant throwing deep to Watkins than moving the chains with Woods, and getting Gurley a new set of downs. When you have Woods, Gurley, and Kupp, you have enough slot, short range reciever talent to let Watkins try to get open for 50 every play. I don't think Watkins has found his lover boy quarterback yet, closest was Tyrod finding him deep. Is it on Watkins that he demands touches from his quarterback and has yet to be happy about it? Certainly, that's his personality. It's not a hindrance on a team where they really depend on him on any play in any situation to run any route.. that's what Watkins is looking for, and sure, it's stupid.. but it's who he is. So.. whatever, I'm not going dog on him praising his new QB and taking a slight shot at Goff, what else would he expect? and he didn't really seem to take shots at Tyrod FWIW, more the offensive gameplan.

I'm not going to factor in the team he signed for, so I disagree with you on that point. But yes, you are absolutely right, it's apparent that GMs hold Watkins to a much higher value than Gaines, the sheer margin of the contract difference makes that clear. It's a straw man argument to point to other contracts and say that players aren't signed to their exact value.. but they are signed close to their value. And I'd say the $10M difference is more than enough to prove the difference in value, just not the exact value.. who cares, like I said it's close. As much as I loved Gaines last year we lost the trade from a value perspective. But given that they were both 1 year rentals, who's to say 1 year of Gaines might not have made more of an impact than Watkins last year in the playoff run. Conversely though I think we had enough secondary talent (although we might not have known how good back then), that Watkins' WR talent eclipsing anybody else we were trotting out wide would have made a huge difference on the offense, while Gaines possibly would have made somewhat less of a difference from purely a game winning standpoint. Give me one game to bet my life on last year, and I'd rather have Watkins than Gaines.. for one game I'd rather put my life in Watkins' hands to impact the game more.

How did Kupp get into the equation in that offense? The few Rams games I watched, he wasn't remarkable, but is a great route runner.. Pretty Woods-like actually. Watkins was the better talent but it must have been a product of Goff working with him longer than the other guys.

I was just watching a "top 10 most forgotten plays" video which is where I found that out about Ken Stabler. It's plays that likely win a team a superbowl or conference championships followed up by another tremendous play by the other team that erases the legacy that could have been. Ken Stabler ran like a demon for a 30 yard TD run in his first start (in the playoffs). He looked so fast, everybody on the Raiders was saying he was too lazy to jog, let alone make a Vick-like scramble. So it was a pretty good example haha, Stabler will never be known as actually being a good running quarterback in clutch time.

I was a bit cranky last night. So were you felt like haha. No, Russell wasn't horrible throwing to Graham. But I truly believe Graham would have had better production for almost any other quarterback.. Like 20 quarterbacks would have gotten him more yards instead of using him solely as a red zone target. Like I saw it right away cause I was excited to see Russel with Graham and made a point to see that, but I could tell likes his waterbugs.. Doug Baldwins.. that get open rather than trusting a receiver to make a contested throw. I hold Tyrod, Wilson, Dak in that regard in terms of style of play. Albeit different calibers of talent, they want their receiver open rather than just having a matchup advantage. Compare that to Nick Foles who tosses it up to Alshon Jeffrey in the playoff run. They had phenomenal chemistry. Even when Alshon couldn't come down with 1 that ended up in a pick.. it was unlucky, but Foles still felt comfortable making that same toss the entire game. That's all i'm trying to say. I think most teams resign Evans for that kind of money even if it's an overpay. If they can afford it, they have a sure thing, and a WR with seemingly great intangibles. Not a top 5 WR (close though) but by no means is he not a top 10 receiver. So you're right, money doesn't determine a WR's exact ranking, but it's close and shows what the team is willing to pay in a free market, all just is situational really. I wouldn't call it a bad contract at all, the Bucs aren't a model franchise but I certainly would have resigned Evans if I was in their position. It's like Falcons paying Matt Ryan the amount of money they did. They just have to do it, and making that decision to tie up so much money in certain units (QB and WR), is simply a matter of having a team identity, style of play that you are forced in due to the talent you drafted at some positions, talent you whiffed at in others. It's going to be the Bills likely tying up their money in the secondary for the future, consistently reinforcing it to be a difference making strength, and throwing the rest of their money at QB, front 7, whatever unit pans out well enough to establish a winning formula.

that's good hustle Limeaid. Never saw him play, I thought he was supposed to be the Raiders best quarterback in their franchise from back in the evil Raiders days no?

yeah I'd cough up the second. Would be a move to take us over the top to be a legit team. Don't think McBeane does it either.

Damn that's a good offense (if Mahomes pans out)

"THE SAME MIKE EVANS THAT HAD 2,322 YARDS AND 17 TOUCHDOWNS RECENTLY" see it's pretty easy to do that lmao

Yeah..? the same Jimmy Graham that put up those numbers (over 2 years in SEA) in 1 season with Drew Brees lol. Graham is a generational talent that could easily be at all time TE numbers with the right quarterback. He had 520 yards last season. The Seahawks weren't exactly desperate to keep him. Obviously Russell is a great QB and Jimmy's a great TE so they hooked up for a few TDs. But he could have had better QB chemistry. To my point that Watkins is looking for the right QB chemistry as well. Dak and Russell don't use their weapons as a crutch, they spread it around. Mike Evans is good. Overpriced but not boneheaded.. like what point are you trying to make on the thread lol. I seriously don't know where you stand Like are you nailing home that Gaines is comparable to Watkins? That receivers shouldn't have an opinion who they want throwing to them?