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I didn't realize Tyrod was playing a 1 man show today. Figured there were 44 other guys starting

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I don't know Bama but I'm sure there's a safety that doesn't cut it. These teams, at they're best version, have Maybins, Trent Richardsons, whoever the Maybin equivalent at safety. Whoever the Peterman level MLB talent exists. Just drastic holes that pro teams can eat alive because EVERYBODY on their starting roster is a threat. Whereas in college you can have your top dog receiver owning, he'd be in a battle with Tre White, and your receiver depth drops off the charts after that. Same at corner. You can hide that okay-for- college nickel corner since he's taking on the other team's worst WR. We could line up all our running backs in the slot and they'd burn that dude. Even at 25. And that Miami team had Ken Dorsey. We'd be playing Peterman and crush em. No depth.

Sums up how I feel. Give me the specifics on why we have to be so bad and how we can get better. I'm not seeing it with Beane in control. All I say is "we don't have to be this BAD. in fact we're not even trying".. and the amount of attacks with no specifics on how dumb I am is ridiculous. We didn't try to be any good, at least I hope not because if this is Beane trying then it's hopelessly incompetent. Those aren't "facts" but it's a true statement either way. So I beg the question and never get the answer, why do we have to suck so much and why are fans gravy about it. Please enlighten me without saying process. Tell me exactly what the best case scenario is for this year, next year, and the year after. What is going on in Beane's Mastermind head.

You obviously don't know what a cap is! /s. This will be our ongoing excuse for years. How Whaley from the grave is embezzling cap money for a Watkins charity or something dumb like that. It's not a great excuse given how bad we are. The Jets were famously in cap hell where Tannenbaum's tenure was heavily publicized. We're not even close to that. What happened the year Tannenbaum left and the 2 following in this cap hell in 2013? 9-7, 4-12, 10-6, weird. That's a pretty quick process. "Prior to the season, the Jets made a number of moves, including, re-acquiring Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie, two cornerbacks who were instrumental in the Jets previous defensive success, and obtaining Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brandon Marshall in trades." sounds like they tried to get better and did. Are they still a poorly managed franchise? Yeah. But they got better and were attempting to rebuild simultaneously.. impossible!

Doesn't matter. Ken Dorsey got drafted and would throw 8 pick 6s. The couple of guys that didn't get drafted and started.. would let our guys through every other play for a sack or hurried pick. Their guard and center never went anywhere. no NFL team will ever have that dead weight. Except for Peterman. Actually he's kinda making my point. He's so bad he loses games automatically. Imagine a team that starts 6 of those dudes. Sherko Haji-Rasouli JR 72 Ed Wilkins 66 Brett Romberg

No in like no world! Even if they all stuck together as a team under Nick Saban until they are at their prime a full roster ranging from 24 to 28.. we would clean their clock like 90-3. Any Alabama team or any other great college team, Ohio State. Give me any team. Any version of the Miami U! grown up.. same situation. Yes they'd have some amazing players in a lot of positions but any college team ever would have at best a handful of guys that either a) get drafted late and exposed and never sniff the 53 man roster or b) never sniff the draft at all. Maybe play arena football if they even wanted to keep playing at that point. Those guys would get smoked. Put Hughes on their weak center/guard/tackle.. wherever those handful of guys are and he'd have sack lunch. Like 20. Even our worst players.. give Murphy a carry to the same side every. Single. Play. And he'd have a 50/50 chance at smoking his matchups and taking it to the house.. the safety Saban is hiding behind his Honey Badger safety (I don't know the bama roster) can't hide. He'd get run over by Murphy like he's not even on the field. Hell Peterman could start as long as we run it every down (we might lose if Peterman is passing honestly). We have bad NFL talent, and even if I were to agree with people saying we don't have NFL talent, they were all really damn good players in college. It's the matchups. The talent disparity between Julio Jones and like.. Leonard Johnson's would feel like nothing compared to the talent disparity between friggin Robert Thomas and Joe Blow at Guard. Wouldn't even matter if we played Jim Kelly at the U in their prime in some hypothetical scenario.. we'd have really good chance to take it to the house, get a sack, turnover, fumble like every single play. It's having especially bad players starting that can kill you! We just have bad starters, but we don't start 6 variants of Aaron Maybin level talent at any given position and they do. I feel like I'm being trolled into writing this haha I'm reading the forum and can't tell if people really think they'd have a chance in hell. Side note: I find it simultaneously hilarious and epically sad that despite my strong conviction above. I think we'd definitely be in a toss up if Peterman was gun slinging.

Lol we would annihilate them. It's just a joke being #33 in power rankings. Our practice squad would wreck them. We'll always be the 32nd best football team in the world worst case scenario. That's comforting at least

It would be the upset of the century. Also low-key annoyed Kirk Cousins seems to be working out for them. I was convinced they should have kept Keenum and not fix what's not broken. Them and the Saints are monsters in the NFC.

And Murphy, we should be running way more than we are. I'm likely wrong but has to at least lead to a few first downs early on. The announcers made a great point that Allen never makes a preread on an obvious blitz by either assigning blockers or audibling to a play to exploit a blitz. Not that the O Line doesn't suck. But I did realize Allen almost never adjusts the play, or assignments. Like a safety was clearly blitzing, Allen gets set, and has his running back running a route into coverage, rather than having him block or make an out route where the safety should be. The good news is this should be a very easy thing to coach a rookie quarterback to do. Unlike footwork or accuracy, this can be improved in a few games if we have the right coaches.

They're playing poorly because the defense stops trying when they know we're incapable of scoring in the first quarter

GUYS WE CAN DO A TWIST ON THE WILDCAT! JUST REPLACE RUNNING BACKS WITH 2 CRAPPY BLOCKERS! Flacco: but coach isn't the wildcat predicated on having 11 blockers?

They should be fined for all the waste of downs they do tossing in Lamar Jackson for like 10% of there snaps

yeah there as some bad coverage everywhere. Interesting that Rivers specifically went after Poyer when I typically see him break up more passes with his hand or a hit than most. But I will say he's undersized and Mike Williams is a huge, aggressive ball attacker, like a good version of Kelvin Benjamin. So I don't recall the throw and catch exactly but I can see a high rifle to Mike Williams catching the ball before Poyer has his hands to PBU and is too close to have any momentum to get a hit. but damn that forced fumble was one of the coolest plays I've seen in a while. So heads up, just sees the guy going down and runs over and punches the ball. I don't understand how any unblocked defender wouldn't just do that when someones getting tackled instead of just slamming the ball carrier himself cause he wants to act like a hard hitter instead of just punching a ball like a sissy.

also true. I've yet to learn anything I haven't already known here. What's wrong with Eli collecting his paycheck until he physically can't play. He's going to get a ton of Ls at the very twilight of his career. BUT: he's making money and will be in the HOF and has nothing to prove.

He probably was the replacement Tyrod was for as an alternate so he could you know.. play in the playoffs. Lol that's good stuff, being serious, no /s

I can't believe the expectations we have. Bortles is a franchise QB, far from perfect, but he can win a lot of games with a strong team.. and he's cheap. Dalton is a franchise QB by every definition of a word. Quarterback is the most important position in football, but being a team sport means you take your franchise quarterback that can almost always give you a win even on his worse day as his team carries him. If we truly want to aim for the next Big Ben or better (or worse, our FO), and are going to keep shuffling quarterbacks that aren't "good enough" to win any given game by themselves, then we're never going to have success until we get the incredible luck of getting THAT guy. And when we do we'll be disappointed on how many quarterbacks we wasted time on. It's the most self destructive approach for a team. Not to piss you off but you are a Packers fan right? feels like you've implied it. One of my favorite Packers stories was when Brett Favre commented "took him long enough" when Aaron Rodgers won the superbowl. Super jackass thing to say, but Brett recognized that he, a 3 time MVP in a row, couldn't win with many of his rosters. And knew when he left the Packers that they were starting to look very good. He expected someone of Rodgers' talent to win because he had the supporting cast Favre himself thought he could win with on that team, after about a decade of knowing he just didn't have a roster to go all the way. Brett saw what could be done in 1998 when he saw his defense was potent, his offensive line was so good, Dorsey Levins (who was an okay runningback) ripped off for like 1300 years. He could throw Antonio Freeman for 1400 yards. Chmura was no slouch. Brett in his 2nd or 3rd MVP campaign knew he wouldn't win without that team. He knew he'd struggle with Donald Driver and Bubba Franks. He knew Ahman Green's production didn't have the defense to support the duel threat offense. Brett knew his 2nd to last year on the Vikings was loaded calling it "the best team he's ever been on" (not true, 1998: Brett don't be petty about GB), but good god it was good. A prime Sidney Rice, offensive line, and Adrian Peterman. Point is Brett knows way more than we do. He was one of the best quarterbacks for a very long time and knew when he could win with a supporting cast. And in his 20 years, he realizes he might have played on like 5 superbowl caliber teams (being generous with his Vikings team and last year on the Packers). No, a quarterback can't win alone, ever. AND BOY DID BRETT LOVE THE COMBINATION OF AN ALL-SEASON LONG VICODEN BINGE WITH AN MVP AWARD. Who does that?? Amazing human being regarding his body's constitution. Cmon man you're being a bigger jackass than drunk me last night. You can't even blame on being drunk. it's early afternoon. Unless you can lol. I'll give you a pass if you're drunk at 3pm cause that's just swag. idk man, dude's lost it today. I'd wager about 2 different posters go off the rails a day and try to piss people off as much as they humanly can. I did it last night. Super fun. Then the next day they're back to normal. Relapse every Sunday.

Dude please. I would be ecstatic to have a Stafford clone. He also one of the few quarterbacks that doesn't appear to need the best receiver talent. That's a fantastic style of playing style for our roster. He seemed to get better when he lost Calvin Johnson, meaning he prefers not to toss up balls for grab but operate with a mind for reading defenses and finding the open receivers better than the next guy,. You're set up to be disappointed pining for the next HOF quarterback. Start with hoping with all your might that JA develops to the level of Stafford talent, and then start dreaming he can improve to HOF a quarterback, he's not far away given a perfect storm of events. IF, big if, Stafford wins a SB, he's a serious HOF contender. and he'd probably have a slim chance to do it on the Eagles roster, Jaguars roster, Steelers roster. He's thrown for 5000 yards for starters. Be reasonable on what you want your quarterback to do.

honestly. He turns into the posterboy of a quarterback we don't want: a good to great quarterback that isn't in the elite tier. Why wouldn't we want him.. so confused. . When you limit your options to Brees Brady or Rodgers.. you're gonna have a bad time.

I'd be the Seahawks in a hot minute. Reload through the draft. Doesn't matter how expensive Wilson is, if they had the exact same Wagner chancellor Sherman draft last year they'd be in the Superbowl in a year or 2

Yeah we need all the cheap talented rookie contract K's we can get.. And emulating 2 consecutive Superbowl winning drafts is a good idea sure. What the hell are you talking about haha

I disagree. Mostly that mediocrity isn't perpetual or that sucking is indication of any probability that it leads to better than mediocrity. Anyways, regarding Whaley's involvement in this let's dig deeper: It's not black and white. We can have a smooth transition by not picking up Coleman dead cap, McCarron dead cap, hang on to those dudes in the trenches, Glenn and Dareus rather than having.. nothing. If you really want to clean house on Whaley's players, are you saving yourself from Whaley's mess? Or are you just dumping talent (albeit overpaid) and creating your own mess? It looks like you can make a pretty bad team by dumping expensive players and paying for it with dead cap. It goes both ways. We can exchange cap figures all day but all we know is what we see on the field. The worst team in the league.

Can we sticky whatever fits our agenda to help lower clutter on how awesome it is to suck?

No. But we're clearly not in cap hell if we can sign star. My criticism is the GM. Why sign star who.. to your point.. can't cover the whole field and sign a few front 7 guys that can cover the whole field! Because there's multiples of them. Here's a scouting report on us: "well they spent all this money on this Star dude. We could probably try to run through him but how about we just run towards that guy I saw on my practice squad last week?"

Dude did you not see Poyer punch the ball out on the forced fumble? Fantastic heads up play that really has to bring him up.