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37-17 Vikings

My two favorite teams: The Bills, and anybody playing the Pats.

So, pre-season doesn't matter, and Peterman is who he is, just like last season. To be fair, we should have kept Tyrod to at least have something to hold us over until Allen is ready.

Noted: you think pre-season matters. We'll revisit this during the regular season.

Slow down there, hoss. "Accurate as hell"... Peterman Regular Season 2017: 49% comp, 2 TD, 5 INT. It's pre-season man. Nothing matters here, it's been proven over and over.

It did go up from 2002-2003, by .2%. from 2001 - 2002, his QBR dropped off by 10 points. QBR is a rough way to judge QB's though. For example, Tyrod had a much higher QBR than Brady did in each of their first three seasons, which clearly isn't a great example.

Never once did I say that yards don't matter. What I said was that yards shouldn't be the sole metric for judging a QB off of. There's a ton of data that goes into a QB's performance, and everything should be considered. Btw, Brady regressed in his second full season as starter, so your blanket statement of "steady improvement" year after year isn't necessarily true either, and it doesn't need to be. Every pro QB has hiccup seasons, some just brush it off and move forward, such as Brees who you mentioned. What matters is the final product, which is where Tyrod absolutely didn't pan out. I would've been just find with Tyrod having some rough seasons if he cleaned it up in the end, but he simply regressed year after year.

Please stop with yards only garbage. In Brady's first three seasons as a starter, he threw for 14 games under 200 yards. This clearly isn't a sole metric to judge off of. Edit: To be clear, his first three entire seasons as a starter. This isn't counting Brady's first year when he took over mid-season, which would have a higher count of low yardage games.

This makes me miss Bobby April. Guy fielded some of the best special teams groups we've ever had. Even voted Special Teams Coach of the Year in 2009.

You literally just cherry picked two instances. Statistics, on the other hand, show that there are way more misses than hits in the 1st round for QB's. "For every successful first-round quarterback pick in recent years, there are almost twice as many failures. A conclusion can be drawn with 19 of the first-round picks. Only seven, or 36.8 percent, arguably could be considered a success." https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-recent-draft-history-shows-first-round-qbs-are-more-likely-to-fail/

annnnnd this is what happens when you drink and post. You're right, not sure where I got that from.

No, you definitely try. But only if OBD is 100% confident that this is their guy. You don't draft one to draft one, especially if we are blowing all of our draft capital in the process. Amirite?

It's true, Eagles jumped and it paid off. My point is that some people claim to draft a QB in high year after year until you hit gold. That eats up a TON of draft capital, and ends up weakening teams at other essential positions. Like the Browns, drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds 7 out of 10 years, and sucked for nearly a decade as a result.

To further your point, blowing draft capital on one position is how you end up like the Browns: 2007 - Brady Quinn, 1st Round 2010 - Colt McCoy, 3rd Round 2012 - Brandon Weeden, 1st Round 2014 - Johnny Manziel, 1st Round 2016 - Cody Kessler, 1st Round 2017 - DiShone Kizer, 2nd Round 2017 - A.J. McCarron (2nd and 3rd Round 2018 Picks) That's 4 first Round QB's, two 2nd Round QB's, and a 3rd Round QB in 10 years. Browns record for the last 10 years: 2007 - 10/6 2008 - 4/12 2009 - 5/11 2010 - 5/11 2011 - 4/12 2012 - 5/11 2013 - 4/12 2014 - 7/9 2015 - 3/13 2016 - 1/15 2017 - Perfect Season

Welcome to the Bills message board, where opinion might as well be fact. To disagree is to "lack football knowledge".

Need an option for watching because we hate the *Pats.

"Despite all the shifts, Buffalo fielded one of the worst wide receiver groups in the NFL in 2017. Bills wide receivers averaged 2.47 yards of separation when their quarterback released the ball, ranking dead last, with the second-to-last team averaging 2.61. Quarterback Tyrod Taylor seems destined to move on from the team following a peculiar midseason benching. The Bills will have to settle matters in their receiver group while they start over under center." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905681/article/the-10-most-underperforming-units-of-the-2017-nfl-season

"Just someone who can convert 60% of 3rd downs?" Except, that's not a single damn QB in the entire league this year. Wentz was the closest with 54%, the rest were below 50%, including Brady. So what you're asking for is "just" a HOF QB, better than anyone who currently plays the game? Well ****, sign me up. Also, didn't you make the thread about the Saint win over the Vikings, and why a franchise QB contributed to it?

Six games played in 2017 is what we're willing to give up a first rounder (or more) for? Out of the 6 games, here are the averages per game: 260 yards 1.16 TD's .83 INT's 67% Completion Before you say New England: 6 game season in 2016: 83 YPG .66 TD's 0 INT's 68% Completion We seem to be getting desperate as a fan-base. It's literally a solid 6 game season that people are willing to throw first round picks at. I'd much rather get a Smith or Cousins in 2018.

I was just thinking that.

This.. absolutely this. On the 9th of November the Jets, a 28th ranked offense, hung 34 on us. They must be an elite offense to score on our elite D, judging by how we held the Jags down. Am I doing this right?

Bills WR core ranked 8th of 10 most underperforming units in the NFL in 2017. List includes QB's, O-Lines, and RB's, among others. Regardless of what we do at QB this year, we need to take a hard look at the WR core. "Despite all the shifts, Buffalo fielded one of the worst wide receiver groups in the NFL in 2017. Bills wide receivers averaged 2.47 yards of separation when their quarterback released the ball, ranking dead last, with the second-to-last team averaging 2.61. Quarterback Tyrod Taylor seems destined to move on from the team following a peculiar midseason benching. The Bills will have to settle matters in their receiver group while they start over under center." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905681/article/the-10-most-underperforming-units-of-the-2017-nfl-season

For clarification... Are you saying the majority of passes he made on the 3rd down were short of getting the 1st? Sorry, I'm just not fully understanding this without specific context.

With the 3rd most rushing attempts in the NFL, a lot of those 1st and 2nd downs weren't on the QB, forcing the 3rd down pass. So, it's definitely not all on Taylor.