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    Raheem Blackshear Overreaction/Hype

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    9 minutes ago, StHustle said:

    If Antonio Williams didn’t get a shot I don’t know why people think Blackshear will. Williams even performed in a reagular season game…averaged over 5 yards a carry and had TDs and was never seen again. Just ain’t happening. Our draft picks will be the only ones getting carried this season.

    While I agree with you, Blackshear at least has kick return potential also - and is more of the receiving threat than Williams. However Cook kind of makes Blackshear redundant unfortunately.

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    Broncos at Bills Preseason Game Day thread.

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    13 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

    Except he isn't good at any of them.  I'd rather Doyle be your third TE, I see no reason to ever have a FB and if needed you line up Sweeney or Moss at FB, and he never will line up at RB.  A capable WR is going to be cut to keep Gilliam on the team.  

    Not sure how you can say he "isnt good at any of them" meanwhile we just extended him. Luckily we havent had to use him a bunch except for goal line scenarios and his blocking has been decent. The thing I think you are missing is having Gilliam suit up allows you to add the additional linemen like Doyle last year to lineup as "extra tight end." But having Gilliam allows you to run a goal line FB, and not need to suit up 3-4 RB's because he can fill in if absolutely needed... unless you think Doyle can be RB3 due to injury. Having a versatile piece like Gilliam is why we could get away with only dressing 1 TE last year. Having him fill 3+ positions allow you the flexibility of sitting or dressing up extra positions as needed for the matchups.

     

    Again our team also values special teams and he ALSO fills that role which other guys like Doyle or Duke Johnson wont fill

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    Players that are ST only…how much value do they have?

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    We are leaving out Andre Smith Jr (but will be suspended first 6 games), AND Siran Neal.

     

    Yes I get Siran has played some CB when needed but to me is just as much a "primarily special teamer" as other guys who have had to fill in like Matakavich and Kumerow.

    I completely understand and support investing in special teams, but keeping 5 guys that are mainly there for gunners and special blocking is a bit much to me.

    If we keep a guy like Kumerow over Hodgins when we have all the others listed I will be pretty frustrated - but overall I trust McBeane

    the Punt god

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    10 minutes ago, muppy said:

     

     

     

    One thing I don't know regarding araiza is how he will adapt to the cold in WNY .What and if any effect on his performance in Orchard Park

    Good news for Araiza, is that Haack set that bar really low last year 

    Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

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    27 minutes ago, Mango said:

    I think the league has a real problem with minority representation at all levels. Black coaches are given a much shorter leash and are required to have more success to maintain job security. The Rooney rule may not be the best solution, but you can't just waive it away. The sport is and has been dominated by BIPOC for quite some time, but the executives continue to be oddly pale. Until you have a better replacement other than "JuSt HiRe ThE bEsT cAnDiDaTe" it is the only real tool in the tool box.

    Flores may very well be right here and I am probably side with him. 

    But in court this will be a tough one. Unless Schoen put in writing somewhere that they wanted to give multiple interviews to Flores and Frazier in order to give the perception of fairness, he will have a tough time winning this. If Schoen did put it in writing his career as a GM is over before it started. 

    I view things like this sort of like redlining. It is most certainly illegal. And it most certainly continues to happen. But the burden of proof needed to prosecute is so astronomically high/avoidable by companies/lenders that it is really difficult to move on legally. 

    As people have mentioned: Bowles stuck around, Anthony Lynn, Marvin Lewis to a degree Hugh Jackson... Heck Saleh is still around with a terrible team after a year.

     

    Pete Carroll was originally fired after one year, Jim Tomisula niners, Mike Mularky in Jax, Jim Mora Seattle, Bobby Petrino in the NFL, Cam Cameron for Phins all fired for just one year and I am sure there is more.
     

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    Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

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    16 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

     

    I'd like to see some stats on the bolded. Hue Jackson had 2 1/2 years. Bowles had 4 years. 

    How about Anthony Lynn? Great guy but seemed to always under achieve and for all the complaining this site does about McDermott's time management in game, Lynn had to have been the worst i've seen. Marvin Lewis also stuck around with Bengals for way too long, decent record but could never win in playoffs.

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    Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

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    18 minutes ago, bobobonators said:


    You didnt read what I said very well. 
     

    My post never mentioned anything about duration of their football experience as players. 
     

    Also, i never said it has to be even ratios. The problem, which you seem to miss, is that we are so far into the extreme of UNEVEN ratios - 1 black HC in the league - that questions need to be asked. 
     

    But carry on. 

    Well since you insisted I carry on, I will a bit.

     

    I even re-read your post and re-read mine. Your entire argument of the flow and logic was attributing the overwhelming amount of black players in NFL and college level and the math not adding up. So sure you didnt say even ratios, but its heavily implied it should be a lot closer to so. So if its not even, what is your satisfactory amount?

    I also think its funny that once Flores and Culley is fired we bring this discussion up, and for some reason everyone forgets about Saleh does he not count? Now lets look back to during last season: Culley, Flores, Tomlin, Saleh 4/32 12.5% of the HC positions were black. If we arent going to go off player ratios, USA is made up of around 7.5% black males, so they were trending above the curve so far (this doesnt even count as Ron Rivera who is a minority coach but no one likes to bring that up). Isnt there still jobs to fill so there is more than the 3 minority Head coaches? Maybe Culley gets another shot, or Frazier, or Leftwich or Bienemy. Didnt like 2 or 3 years ago the NFL had Vance Joseph, Steve Wilkes, Anthony Lynn, Ron Rivera, Brian Flores, Mike Tomlin and Todd Bowles at the same time? Im going off memory and dont feel like going to look it up so I might be off someone not overlapping. But thats ~22%, yet after that year I remember articles and articles about how unfair it is there still isnt enough black coaches (not saying you wrote those obviously). 

     

    Maybe the extreme uneven ratios is the amount of black players in the NFL compared to whites, hispanics and asians? Why is that not a concern? Because just like coaching it should be the best person for the job no matter the skin color and its stupid to start looking at ratios by skin color rather than merit. Across the USA there are a lot more white football players up until highschool - and really probably college too if you count JUCO and DIvIII (I dont know the stat so I could be wrong on the lower colleges). So if you have more white people in the country, and more white people realizing there potential for NFL is 0, they turn to coaching much younger making them better fit for coaching roles in the future.

     

    I do not care what a coaches skin color is and no one should, its dumb. Flores got a raw deal and it sounds like it was more the business side with GM's it does happen to white coaches too (though owner paying for losses is a huge issue). Flores on the field and game prep was a great coach.

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    Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

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    41 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

    This is a nuanced topic. Im against someone being hired bc of their

    race as much as im opposed to someone being rejected bc of their race. 
     

    I think we can all agree the NFL has a problem. The majority of players are black. The vast majority of coaches are white. All the owners are white. Im pretty good at math and that doesnt add up properly. 

    Forget about discussing the owners being white - thats too obvious and beyond the realm of fixable. 
     

    As for the coaches being white…logic and reason would suggest some of the best candidates to coach a team are those who have been around the game. Logic follows players are around the game. Following that logic most NFL coaches have played football either in the NFL or in college at some point, regardless of how good they were - they played. Awesome. Logic is flowing so far.
     

    A very good portion of NCAA football players are black. The overwhelming majority of NFL players are black. Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of HC and coaching assistants are NOT black. Logic and reason are now broken. We have a problem. 
     

    Are former black football players simply not interested in coaching? I dunno. Theres no point in lying to each other. I think if we have an honest conversation we can admit somewhere along the chain there is a serious problem. The question is how do we fix it. Im not sure the Rooney rule is the solution. 

    This is such a bad argument. Why does it have to be even ratios of race on white to black? I would argue most coaches did not play very long because they simply werent that good, but loved the game - so they transitioned to the coaching side early in their career instead of being banged up and battered for a decade or more on the field. Nothing wrong with this, just saying maybe a player is more "done" after getting beaten up so long.

     

    What NFL head coaches were long time players? I can think of Reich and Vrabel, not like I have an extensive knowledge of all the coaches playing careers. Most coaches, Belicheck, Reid, Carroll, Arians, McDermott, Tomlin...even up and coming coordinators and coaches like Dorsey, Kellen Moore had short careers that did basically nothing after college. Look at the new young coaches, Shannahan, McVay, Bengals Zack whatever, Stefanski. They are young coaches because they pretty much went straight into coaching rather than pursue playing.

     

    Maybe Byron Leftwhich gets his shot soon? But the argument I see "well players are this, so coaches should be equal ratio or close" is kind of flat imo. Should a woman never get a head coach or coordinator job? No females currently are in the NFL.

     

    The part maybe we should ask is why collegiate black players who arent expected to make it at NFL level dont seem to turn to coaching early as much? 

     

    While typing this I started looking up recent black head coaches, I know Leslie Frazier played. David Culley went into coaching right out of college. Marvin Lewis same thing... BRIAN FLORES (injury prevented him from NFL so he went to coaching). Robert Saleh, Jim Caldwell, Hugh Jackson.

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