Ol Dirty B

She was Rex hire, and is she even still there? If she is I can assure you, she's not the reason they're bad. And neither are these other women. What is your point with this thread?

Completely agree. The look of this team started last year. I can't wait until next year, these people will come up with some ridiculous excuse for how they inherited the offense. The guys who scouted Milano are probably no longer with the team. McD has shown he can even fire up his team after big losses. Real resume building there lol. I can't do anything but laugh at this post. Real world? Daboll running shotgun too much last game is a problem?

You know, I think you were actually making a decent continuity point up until you decided to be arrogant, talking down, and decided you weren't going to make the point. At least I gave you the benefit of that being the point you were making. Even if I don't necessarily agree with it, it's not something anyone could say is wrong. Instead you went this route... And we have Peterman and Anderson on our roster. Like the input, I know they can't have this level of knowledge on every program. But wtf. I'm starting to think they just listen to Mel. Mel loved Peterman, mel loved Allen, Mel (rightfully) loved Tre. Firing everyone now is an improvement over what they did. They fired the coach, hired a new one without much input from the GM. Then fired the GM the day after the draft, and all the scouts. Then trotted out this ***** about how they were reinventing the NFL calendar. Then hired a GM recommended by the coach. It makes no sense. Their is no accountability, and no ability to hold any of them accountable. Kim and Terry should step away from the team, and just go be a couple on one of those real housewives shows. They have no clue what they are doing. I gave them time.

What was confusing about my post to you? That our offense is historically bad? That the team is as bad as any in the league with a potentially great defense?

I definitely want to see Allen. I want to be wrong. I really can't disagree or say anything different with that post.

Well I've never read the NY Daily News. What's that? Is it one of those things you'd mistake for a newspaper but is all gossip when you're in line at a grocery store? Anyways I'm more interested in the me being racist thing. Go for it. You won't.

Most people know what the B stands for. Odell isn't the first ODB. My original username was going to big baby jesus but was never cleared, which is fine, you're a self admitted redneck. So I'm sure you can't work the Google. Wu tang rapper.

We agree on it's hard to play QB. I don't agree that Allen has looked better, at all. Can someone please show me what I'm missing? The offense at least moves the ball with Anderson

Eh... you forgot ownership. I don't want to fully accuse the coaching staff, really, it's just the HC if it. I have no qualms about saying segments of the fanbase are racist. But you did, what most Bills fans do and lumped everyone together and used this as your identity. So it hurts you. Someone else calls a Bills fan a racist, and I'd be like whatever. I know who I am. I think when it gets shown, you don't like it because the racists, they are always the ones who are sensitive to that. So something about stones or whatnot. Such a B1LLZ MAFIA bro!!! Thing to say, go jump through a flaming table.

Thanks simple

I don't think the giants are good, and don't even have to play good to beat us. When your offense is routinely referred to as historically bad, I think the potential exists for a 20 point loss to the giants.

I understand your point. Completely in agreement to an extent. They've spent on the Oline I believe Marv did it when they wheeled his old ass out as GM on Dockery and some other bum. Good Olinemen hit the market with out extenuating circumstances. You've gotta hit on them in the draft, which makes the Glenn trade maddening to me. So I think your point about drafting them high is the way to go. I also remember Mike William's. They've tried it all, it really is a crapshoot once you have the right mentality in place. That's where I'm concerned.

I agree. I'd like Matt Ryan on the Bills, not really a fan of Cousins. He seems to be the type of player who just never takes the next step. I admitted I may give Shanahan too much credit for his QB's success, but I think they both had their best years when he was the OC. I think McVay was in Washington too at some point and I know Cousins has been pretty steady for awhile now as far as his ceiling goes. So I could be wrong on him. I just generally think he has maximized what he's given at QB and credit him for that. However, none has been sustained really. But maybe Atlanta would be amazing with him.

You two are on the same page. Tyrod was by no means a hall of Famer, but he was in the Alex Smith class in my opinion. He found ways to win and make plays. He didnt throw for 300 yards, but he made plays with his legs. And I agree with criticisms that sometimes he relied on that too much. But at the end of the day, he won games, was every bit the competitor Allen is, and won games. Everyone loves the hurdle Allen made.... But this regime and the people who bought in preach you need a QB who can make plays from the pocket. Allen has shown nothing from the pocket, and everyone goes crazy with the hurdle. It was a fun moment, that's cool. But tell me that if Tyrod did the same thing everyone would have went crazy? I see a trend in Bills fans and I don't like it. Tyrod gave everything to this team and they treated him like *****. Not giving him his money, constantly restructuring, not sure if he is starter or not, yanking him for Nate ***** Peterman. And they drafted some big white kid who throws the ball far (always incomplete), but you know, it's Buffalo and it snows. He has big hands ( I think our GM with a background in communications said "he's got big hands" but whatever), and they drafted him to throw from the pocket. All I've seen is one nice pass on a wheel route, him jump over a guy, and him tell the defense he's with them. It's all garbage. And I left that underlying for good reason because i don't want to get into it, but i think it exists. Watch Eric Reids comments. I'm really starting to be bothered by this team and fanbase. They can go 0-16. I'm still a fan, but when I start to get a weird vibe, I'm out. And I might be, much to the happiness of many. People will lambast Tyrod and in the next sentence talk about how Peterman wasn't given a fair opportunity. Their is definitely some underlying stuff going on with this regime, coaching staff, and segments of this fanbase.

I'm not opposed to it in theory. But you know, no chance they draft a QB in the first round next year? I don't mean that condescendingly or anything, it just won't happen. Btw great name and avatar. I don't know if I've ever complimented you on it, but I always laugh when I see Big Dingus.

This guy must be an Oakland fan or perhaps Gruden himself. Schefter probably blocked his number trying to leak ridiculous trade proposals. He's gone Gregg Williams. I'll tell you this, the Greg's always look down on Gregg's with two G's in the name kingdom. That's just how it works and Gregg with two G's has always been clearly compensating for having that second G. His parents were compensating before birth.

Is it concerning at all that Allen has looked worse than Anderson, who you say McCarron would be an upgrade from? The hurdle and yelling at the defense was cool... but eh... I haven't seen more than that, and that ***** ain't winning superbowls.

But McDermott wanted nothing to do with him. He's really conflicting as a coach. The defense is great, but he just mismanages the offense like I've never seen before. The defense should rightfully be frustrated with him and the offense. Yet at the same time, he's responsible for a lot of these guys success. And the offense, well some, like Shady should be frustrated with him. He's making great money for an RB, but I'm surprised how he has handled the pressers and everything publically.

A lot of us were calling the receivers garbage last year. Some, much of the same, project Allen to be great next year. Just give him a year and he'll do things as a pro he couldn't do in high school. That crowd was saying matthews, Jones, and whoever was better than woods and Watkins. At a certain point people have to just realize they've been wrong about almost everything. I think we need to make the betting 101 thread mandatory, because I'd do the opposite of what they say everyday regarding football.

If Peterman makes it 13 years in the league, maybe you'll have a point. He's on year 2, won't see 3. And 2 looks like 2 too many. I'm not a fan of Anderson at all. Peterman is in his own plateau of bad. He's the second coming of Kyle Orton. I said that right after he ran out of bounds against the Colts instead of throwing it away. Throwing it away meant... maybe he'd get hit. He's Kyle Orton's slide 2.0. Maybe I should change my username to that. The giants would beat us by 20. You're underestimating how bad the offense is this year. They can't score, on anyone. They could lose 20-0 to the giants, Tre could lock down Odell, the pass rush could be great. They'll still give up points. The issue is, they can't score at all. If they did 7 game series in the NFL I wouldn't take the Bills over any team. That's how bad the offense is. Don't worry, we're picking top 5. Easy schedule? That won't get in the way of this team. You realize every other team sees the Bills on the schedule and is thinking that's a win. Who could the Bills honestly do that with in the league? They're that bad. The Vikings and Tennessee game were aberrations. Vikings because they'd never beat a team that bad again, and Tennessee because it was what? A 13-12 game? That doesn't exist anymore.

I mean... wow so you're blaming McCarron for this season. That is amazing. Part of this fanbase goes to amazing measures to give the people at fault a pass. That's a new one, I'm going to start blaming players not on the Bills for the Bills problems. Maybe Brown is more at fault than McCarron. As tired as the point is, I think that would make a better point. He's blaming a back up QB for playing like a back up QB when they signed him.

It's not a great point, and I love watching the defense. I think Bills fans are one of the few fanbases who'd rather watch their team on defense because they are more entertaining. I honestly think it has been that way for a decade so some think that's the way it should be. But I hate watching this offense. At this point I'd rather watch my team lose 31 to 51 like a lower tier big 12 team. New England scored 9 points and I'm already thinking that might not be doable without a td by the defense or special teams. This offense is going to be worse than the winless browns and Detroit teams.

When did Peterman or Allen arrive as an NFL caliber qb? It's that bad.

You can only laugh. I'll admit I didn't watch the game, so I didn't see if he deserves the praise. Shanahan is making it a habit of making QBs look good. I think he can coach, wasn't a fan of his dad. What's his list now? RG3, they did ruin hin though Kirk Cousins Matt Ryan, never trust a man with two first names Jimmy G Beathard Mullens None sustained success to this point so maybe I'm overstating it.

You've chosen to ignore content from John from riverside makes this thread far better. Calling his posts content is an insult to content.