Da webster guy

Yes, and they both stayed in their jobs far too long. As Kenny Rogers says, You've Gotta Know When to Fold Em. They never listened to Kenny (although Jerry loves the chicken)

The Bills have an NFL best 6 picks in the top 100 Yeah until the trade up. Then we're down to 2 or 3. Which I'm fine with. Unlike these cat videos

If he stays healthy and focused, he's worth the money simply because he can win you games on his own. But I agree with you--when you take into account what a nightmare prima donna the guy is, his unstable personality and injury history, he's like adopting a crazy dog who bites everyone--no matter how much you try to train him, he's always going to be a huge pain the ass. People say I'm nuts but I wouldn't take the guy on my team for free. He gets more TV time and attention when he's hurt and not playing than any other player on the field, and he promotes it. After awhile the act gets old, then it just gets maddening. He's amazing on the field, but a huge part of football is what happens off the field, and he's a loser in that sense.

yup. and don't forget if you hit on a qb draft pick you have him for at least a dozen years, whereas some players like Barkley might have a prime career of half that time.

or it could be a year like EJ/geno draft where there isn't a single good nfl qb to be had.

yeah except for bulldog, and Carl Faulk, and my brothers, and a ton of other football podcasts and talk shows. I'm not making it up, its the reason I posted that. Start paying attention to how he gets slid into the "top qb's" conversations. It's annoying. Mahomes and Deshaun too. All I say to them is come back to me when they've played a few dozen games and all the DC's get a chance to learn tendencies and weaknesses, to see what types of gameplans work best--maybe they will hold up, but its likely they won't. I see Garrapolo as a Tannehill, David Carr ceiling.

Jackson over Darnold? See this is why the draft is maddening because there's probably a significant chance you're right. It's almost a total crapshoot.

i agree. had some great screen play runs too. when healthy, my favorite Bill to watch.

everybody seems to be puttinf garrapolo in a class with the elites? the guy had one great game against Jax, who had an overrated defense as we saw in Pittsburgh (gave up over 40 pts in that game too). I watched the Bears game Jimmy should have been benched. Niners win less than 6 games this year, wait and see.....

we won't need to. moving to the 4th spot works with just giving up our 12 n 22.

We tried to build a wall to keep the BBMB'ers out. We aren't exactly getting their best and brightest over here. But we're nothing if we're not tolerant (right Zay?) so welcome aboard to all the nubes. We left a light on for ya..

We have a great young LT, need a versatile guard and rt. i think if we stay put you will see Vita Vea become a Bill. the next Ngata

jets way overpaid for that move up. No way Beane was giving up that much. take the browns #4 spot for much cheaper and still get a great qb prospect

Most drops in the league and now a felon Did not see that coming, seemed like such a stable, quality kid. Someone on this board was yelling for Smith-Shuster in the 2nd round instead of Zay last year, too bad we didn't go that way, he's a legit force.

Yes I think you're right. Sticking to a general trade up chart value system, the trade to #4 allows us to keep BOTH second round picks vs trading up to #2 which basically crushes our entire draft until 3rd round. No matter what anyone says, there is still a very large amount of guesswork involved on which qb is going to be better than the other one. We need those 2nd round picks

if that were the case we'd just burn a pick with Philly and get Foles. I still think that's not a bad way to go if he could be had for a reasonable value.

Oh Chucky. He also likes his job, and realizes his career is staked on this draft. GM's don't stay employed unless they win, and they don't win without a stud qb. I think Allen could thrive in a place where he had an AJ Green, Julio, etc. Big targets with big catch radius. Obviously nobody knows which (if any) of these qb's are going to pan out, but Allen reminds me of Ryan Leaf, which isn't fair to the kid, but I can't help it.

Oh Chucky. He also likes his job, and realizes his career is staked on this draft. GM's don't stay employed unless they win, and they don't win without a stud qb.

He's better than Michael Irvin, Steven Smith or Chris "you gots to have a fall guy" Carter. Those dudes are a joke, at least Deon has some decent insights now and then.

And a nice drive at end of Saints game. The San Diego game seemed like a great place to start him at the time, because that stadium was not loud at all and there would be no issues with sound. The biggest problem was that we could not handle Bosa and the Chargers pass rush. Mills was such a mess that day--he can hold his own in run blocking but he whiffed repeatedly and Peterman had a guy in his face all day. Obviously the first pick wasn't his fault, DiMarco's stone hands were. But the biggest problem he showed was not enough zip on the out routes that day, and trying to do too much. That might be his downfall for the pro's, although at training camp he seemed to have a cannon on those sideline throws. I specifically remember thinking that watching guys catch his passes from 30 feet away--this guy can rope this ball when he wants to. Go to camp this year and judge it yourself. Good showing at the Indy game, although I couldn't see much with a frozen face. .

and by Ryan Leaf you mean Allen.

Lots of reasons we lost. I wouldn't blame the defense at all, they went on the road in the playoffs and held a team to 10 points. The two key plays in that game were KB pushing off on 1st and goal at the one, and Clay's huge drop. Neither one of them Tyrods fault, although he definitely missed some opportunities on other plays. It's the reason he's in Cleveland now. 3 points is absurd, that Jax defense wasn't that good.

I see the only reasonable move is up to the 4th spot. Getting to 2 isn't necessary or worth the price. Brownies will have their qb at 1, and pick up 12th and 22nd overall to get two more impact starters. The Jets got smoked in that trade up, if they don't hit on their qb pick it's going to kill them for awhile.

There is a significant difference between 2 and 4 on the trade up values. I know they vary, and there was a 700 point discrepancy in the Jets trade up (Jets overpaying), but I believe the deal is not with the Giants but with Cleveland at #4. The chart says we can get to the Browns #4 spot with our pair of first round picks. I would think the draft would then go Cleveland QB (allen or darnold), Barkley to Giants, Mayfield or Darnold to Jets and we grab Jewish Lightning at #4. This way we don't give up ANY second or third round picks and still get a top qb prospect. There isn't such a clear cut KNOWN difference between the top QB guys that is worth dumping both of our second rounders as well. That's two likely starters (possibly more) we'd be giving up just to get in front of the Jets. Gettleman and Beane are friends, but I think that's meaningless. This is business, and the Browns #4 spot makes much more sense in every scenario from Beane's perspective. We aren't a team that's close and only needs a position or two to win a championship. We need these second round picks badly and it's likely whoever we take at 2 is still there at 4 anyway.

That's what killed Tyrod last season. We dumped Goody and Watkins and left one of the best longball throwers in the league with a dink dunk Dennison playbook. Not a huge surprise that we scored 3 points on Jax in the playoffs and the Steelers scored over 40.