Da webster guy

A huge key to young players on the Oline is to minimize the number of plays where it's an obvious passing down, especially for the tackles who have to deal with the edge guys. There's a lot onus on Daboll and Josh to keep the chains moving and keep the defenses guessing. As the game goes on they need to see how the rookie is holding up and call plays/make adjustments accordingly. The upside is at least it's not our left tackle, so Josh can usually see if a breakdown happens. The other plus is that both our running backs seem to block well, and keeping them around to chip and slow Von down a little is always good for our qb's health. He's getting older now too, I can't imagine it's the same guy who won MVP in the superbowl years ago. Bills 20-10

Uh, the Browns ARE a problem team. Fines, suspensions, finger pointing, penalty issues, etc. They fit the textbook definition of the word. Glad the Broncos dont have Sanders or a great passing game, I just don't see em racking up many points in our stadium. 20-10 bills

Still amazed at how little the announcers actually observe during a game. That was a heckuva backside pursuit and run down by a big man. Very few DT's in the league pull that off

Yes he was for sure. It was pretty bad, his arm just lost its pop and declined rapidly. I think he had like 13 passes in the superbowl, but that defense carried em all the way thru. I dont know man, he threw a brutal rookie type pick to Micah Hyde in the end zone and threw another one just like it yesterday to a philly dback but the guy dropped it. He's not mistake free any more in the few games i've watched him.

Well, our run D sucks and he's our best interior lineman, played very well in college and now in his 2nd year for us, also a great teammate from what I see. These are exactly the kind of young, productive guys you keep.

Should have more batted passes or at least altering qb throws. Tall Dlinemen need to take advantage of their height.

Well we know crowd noise in Miami is a non-factor, so its a neutral-field type environment. Fins strengths: they have a few good wr's, Fitz will be able to audible unlike last game, they seem to have some decent team chemistry, playing for a new coach and each other after the nation figured they were going for a winless season. Bills strengths: fired up after tough loss last week, better run game, better defense and most of all Josh has that look in his eyes now. The kid isn't letting the Bills lose this one. I think you may see Siran neal rotating in for Taron and KJ rotating in for Wallace and more Shaq in for Murphy (or even Jerry depending on injury) as Frasier tinkers with the mix.

I agree that many are ego driven. In interviews w Daboll he seems to be level headed and open-minded though, like more of a big brother to Josh. Could be wrong. Either way, we had massive turnover on offense from last year to this, and considering we are healthy, its time to see some evolution and more points.

Next man up, here's an idea, stop trying to manage the thread so much and push your pro-schopp narrative. I've been on this board for a long long time and I've never seen such an opinionated control freak. You must be a joy to live with.

Well if we had a kicker who wasn't slumping we'd be 7-2 and be in the top 6 in the league right now. Last year final four in this league were NE, Rams, Saints and KC. All of them lost their last game, as did Indy. Some of them lost to crappy teams too. Some with established franchise QB's, a few hall of famers even. Head coaches Andy Reid, Belichick, Payton, McVay, Reich. All lost. Some of them have lost multiple games in row and are sitting in far worse spots than we are heading to Miami as 6 point favorites and then back home vs Denver where we'll be heavy favorites again. To answer the OP, is the talent there? Sure it is. Is the coaching good enough? Yeah, but they're learning too. Should we expect more from a young qb on an offense with one guy returning from last year? Maybe, but we move the ball OK, just not dynamic yet. Didn't really expect to score tons of points this year, I was just hoping we'd be a little more fun. Josh is like an overtrained dog right now, he doesn't want to make a mistake and get the shock collar so he's a little more timid and hesitant to trust his instincts. Personally I think a long throw on 3rd down is the same as a punt if it gets picked off. I'd open it up more, lose the designed QB runs, stop the empty sets and get this kid developing chem with Singletary on checkdowns/screens, pass protection, whatever. They both need to learn it together.

Well, Brady did throw an awful interception in the endzone to Micah that would have cost them the game if our special teams coach/head coach had prepared our team properly to handle a slot blitzer on a punt. Or at least had the sense to call a timeout. Everybody makes mistakes. Ours might be we play too afraid to make mistakes on offense.

He was open all day on that slant route in man coverage and the curls he does on the third downs all year he gets huge separation obviously. I think he had most 3rd down conversion receptions in the league as of last week. He's the real deal AND he's a quiet, respectful, hard working dude, which is a must on this team.

Remember when Rex fired Roman after we lost because the defense gave up like 40 points so the blowhard figured he'd fire the OC. Roman winning coordinator of the year running that Baltimore O. That same mix of zone reads, misdirection and power-based pulls run out of a million different formations. It's not just Lamar Jackson making that thing go, it's an experienced OC with full reign of all the calls, gameplanning the way he wants. I don't know enough about pro football or Daboll to slam the guy, but being an OC for Tom Brady means about as much to me as Adam Gase coaching Peyton Manning for a year or two. It's a joke of a job and you're there to stay out of the way.

Yes I think it's a combo of this and that Daboll and McD act like it's the end of the world of your QB throws a pick. If we're at mid field and Josh throws a deep pick, it's a punt. These guys are so tight and so conservative it seems like all they care about is squeaking out the win and not developing an offensive machine. Maybe they're coaching for their jobs and the W is all that matters, but to me I want to see our qb and offense get better, that's more important this season. There has to be some middle ground between scoring 15 points a week and hoping to win close, and playing balls out on offense and putting out a fun product for your fans. Not saying we're a boring team, but there's room to push it a little more and stop just trying not to lose.

This is a good breakdown. I don't see our HC or OC as particularly cerebral guys, probably just go for it on gut feeling. HausMoney has won several games for us with long bombs, got us in the playoffs by stealing two games with fantastic, clutch kicks. Facing 4th and 4, I'd have trotted him out too, simply based on his career with us, not his recent struggles. It's not a 60 yarder we're asking him to hit, its 20 yards longer than an extra point. Another interesting analytic would be average rushing yards gained on 3rd down vs a 5 man front in late game situations where it's assumed you'll be passing. Andy Reid does this all the time and it works like a charm. Obvious passing down, less than a minute to go, one (or zero) timeouts. Spread the field, keep your running back in as a blocker on the play before (we'd prob use Gore in this scenario, they'd think he was there to protect) and then on 3rd and 4 you run a draw play up the middle. It may not get you into the end zone, but their pass rushers are convinced its a pass and already upfield on the outside and you only have 3 defenders in the entire middle of the field. Ten yard blast, first down on the 20, run up and spike the ball with 20 seconds left. Two more chances for to try and score TD but your odds of hitting a FG just went WAY up and you get more chances with a new set of downs. Teams freak out about clock and abandon the run when sometimes it's the perfect call. Half the passes you complete the guy ends up getting tackled in bounds anyway. Wish we had some more innovation and experience with game management on our staff.

He's on pace to be a top ten 1200yd receiver and seems to have great hands, durable and has an exceptional knack for 3rd down conversions. We could use another guy like him, but saying he's not a real number one is head scratching. Brown has more yards than Hopkins, Edelman, OBJ etc. on far less targets this season. Maybe a better way to say it is that we could use another reliable, productive receiver like Brownie.

Had 4 in the patriots game alone. Four flags. One guy.

This is sad but true. I wish he would just admit he's a defensive guy and the team leader but hand the entire offense INCLUDING go for it or punt decisions to a qualified offensive coordinator to run that entire side of the ball. McD isn't qualified to run anything tactically on the offensive side. It worked for Marv. If Daboll is that guy then great, McD needs to do what all good CEO's do which is to know your weaknessses, and empower the best people in the world to fill in the holes and let them run it better than you ever could.

Man they really limited his snaps today. Weird.

Yeah Sean should take lessons from Zo on how to handle interviews and talk about his team. It IS possible to provide insight and add some flavor to what you say instead of just spewing off the exact same boring lines over and over every week since August. McD is basically unwatchable at this point.

Foster was a top receiver 2nd half last year, but his failure to adjust to Josh's deep throw was baffling last week. Its like he lost the ball in the lights or didn't know he was targeted. Finally Josh underthrows a deep ball, but he didn't make a play on it, no chance for a catch, pass interference, nothing. Frustrating. We need to have an offense that can hit on these now and then, but Foster seems to be slumping.

That really was an incredible play by Josh, and I think the first dropped pass by Brown all year, the guy has great hands normally.

Yeah you're probably right but I sure liked Chan Gailey for OC. Such a great game caller, great mix of run, pass, gadgets etc. knew when he was going for it on 4th down and called his 3rd down plays with that in mind (wish McD n Daboll could synch on that)

I remember Taron killing people last year before his injury, and he seems to be tackling poorly (or at least inconsistently) this season. I don't know how Siran Neal lost out to Taron after the job he did stepping in those few weeks in Oct. He's an exceptional tackler and punishes people.

Lorax used to play in the trenches as a Dlineman and Olineman, he's turned into a great linebacker. Anything is possible (I compared him to Levon Kirkland in another thread suggesting this) , but I feel like he's grading out well where he is and simply needs to keep plugging in there. He's so fast, it does seem as if he could sometimes be put in a position to have a little more room to operate and utilize his strengths better. Same thing is happening to Quinnen Williams down in NY, pretty steep learning curve when you're going from college trenches to the NFL.