BuffaloRush

Right - the difference is, he only played football for the Bills for one season. It’s very hard to consider one season for a 2nd round draft pick a success. Also while he is playing, and I’d say he’s a serviceable starter, would you trade a 2nd round draft pick for Kiko Alonso at any time in his career (outside of his first 6 games?) Probably not Butler was a 6th round pick that the Bills got tremendous value out of. Though I can agree - it’s a close call

I get the impression he’ll start

Ouch... not a good group. I think they are counting on Zay to step it up next season

Not really... Alonso played one season for the Bills and they traded him. He played six very good games and 10 average to below average games. If you trade your 2nd round draft after one (technically 2 years) its pretty clear he’s not a hit The key is the number of picks. Polian had 6 or 7 drafts with 12 rounds. He did hit on some, but he missed quite a bit too. Russ was GM for 2 drafts and surprisingly the 2009 draft was fairly decent at the top (outside of Maybin)

Yeah the 12 round drafts definitely do hurt Polian. Still I stand by my rankings. If I cut Polian off at Round 7, he’d lose some of the good picks her made late in the draft Moats is really close. Might need to reconsider

After 1 season, we really don’t have a reason not to trust them. Many of us weren’t too crazy about their off-season moves in 2017 and it turns out they were right decisions.

Yeah I agree. I think it’s fair game to say you criticize his show or his opinions as a radio host, but bringing something very personal like that crosses the line IMO

Dude I don’t like Schoop as a radio host but the line about his kids was not cool. You might want to edit that

As good as Barkley is, I don’t think they’d give up that much value to grab him and to stick to an AFCE rival. They are going QB

OK after a few week... it's finally back. As the draft approaches, I'm taking a look at the past General Managers in Buffalo and who was the most successful with the draft based on hits and misses. While this is very subjective, I am defining a "hit" as any player that reasonably performed at or above his draft status. As an example, a player like Paul Pozlusny becoming a solid starting LB as a 2nd round pick. A "miss" is the opposite - a player who performed under or well under their draft status. If you draft a player in the first round and they are a marginal starter, I am defining that as a miss. Also, if a player doesn't have a great career for the Bills, but then has a better career on another team that is not a miss in my opinion. We are dealing strictly on what the draft selections brought to the table for the Bills - not another team. I do realize that this evaluation will certainly stir up some disagreement. However, this is the way that I choose to evaluate and rate player and it will be subjective. Now let's move onto to the next GM Buddy Nix. First, I have decided to give Buddy credit for the 2013 Draft, though some would lead you to believe it was Whaley who took over. Since Nix was GM, he will get the credit or blame. Before you do that - check out my previous evaluations: 1. Russ Brandon: 28% 2. Marv Levy: 25% 3. Bill Polian: 23% Buddy Nix took over the team which has a very poor structure and was largely considered a tire fire. Still many fans, including yours truly, thought Buddy was a terrible hire. Just another employee promoted from within because Ralph didn't trust someone from the outside to make decisions. His first hire as head coach, Chan Gailey, was equally as uninspiring - though I think if Chan would have chosen a better DC, things could have been different. Now how was Buddy in the Draft: Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2010 1 C.J. Spiller 9 RB 2017 0 1 3 34 90 712 3451 12 198 1484 9 Clemson 2010 2 Torell Troup 41 DT 2012 0 0 0 3 21 Central Florida 2010 3 Alex Carrington 72 DE 2015 0 0 0 7 59 4.0 Arkansas St. 2010 4 Marcus Easley 107 WR 2015 0 0 0 1 42 3 71 1 1 Connecticut 2010 5 Ed Wang 140 T 2010 0 0 0 0 6 Virginia Tech 2010 6 Arthur Moats 178 LB 2017 0 0 3 21 121 16.5 James Madison 2010 6 Danny Batten 192 DE 2011 0 0 0 2 16 0.5 South Dakota St. 2010 7 Levi Brown 209 QB 2010 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 24 0 1 Troy 2010 7 Kyle Calloway 216 T 0 0 0 Iowa 2010 Draft - I am sorry but this was a terrible terrible draft. Buddy gets a fat 0. 0 Hits, All misses. This is rare but he batted .000 - which really is hard to do. I am sure someone will try to argue for Arthur Moats or Marcus Easley, but no these were NOT hits. Seriously, this was such a terrible draft we should have seen Buddy's bad drafting coming. Taking CJ Spiller and Torell Troup in rounds 1 and 2 should have been a fireable offense. Spiller did have his moments with the Bills, but the bottom line is he was a Top 10 premium pick and he never realized his potential. This was a bad pick for a team that had Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch at RB. Hits 0 Misses 9 0% Success Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2011 1 Marcell Dareus 3 DT 2017 1 2 5 49 100 36.0 Alabama 2011 2 Aaron Williams 34 DB 2016 0 0 2 18 59 7 Texas 2011 3 Kelvin Sheppard 68 LB 2017 0 0 4 26 100 2 3.0 LSU 2011 4 Da'Norris Searcy 100 DB 2017 0 0 2 24 107 8 4.5 North Carolina 2011 4 Chris Hairston 122 T 2017 0 0 1 19 74 Clemson 2011 5 Johnny White 133 RB 2012 0 0 0 0 19 20 72 0 1 -3 0 North Carolina 2011 6 Chris White 169 LB 2014 0 0 0 4 51 Mississippi St. 2011 7 Justin Rogers 206 DB 2015 0 0 0 4 43 3 Richmond 2011 7 Michael Jasper 245 DT 0 0 0 2011 - Give Buddy credit. Unlike 2010, he made some very solid and safe picks and drafted well in Rounds 1 and 2. Hits: Marcel Dareus - He was drafted very high but when motivated, Marcel was one of the best DT's in the NFL. He played very well during his few years with the Bills....then Whaley signed him to a huge deal and he became another dude. He's still a pretty good player, though not the same cat who dominated in 2013-2014. Aaron Williams - It took him a few years, but Williams was a competent safety and the field general for the Bills. Injuries cut his career short but for a 2nd round pick, Williams delivered on his draft status. Da'Norris Searcy - He was never a star at safety but he started for about 1 1/2 seasons and played pretty well. Overall for a 4th round pick, it's a HIT. 3 Hits/6 Misses 33% Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2012 1 Stephon Gilmore 10 DB 2017 0 1 6 29 81 16 South Carolina 2012 2 Cordy Glenn 41 G 2017 0 0 5 34 78 Georgia 2012 3 T.J. Graham 69 WR 2015 0 0 1 7 47 5 19 0 61 794 4 North Carolina St. 2012 4 Nigel Bradham 105 LB 2017 0 0 5 33 88 2 6.5 Florida St. 2012 4 Ron Brooks 124 DB 2016 0 0 0 6 52 LSU 2012 5 Zebrie Sanders 144 OL 2012 0 0 0 0 Florida St. 2012 5 Tank Carder 147 LB 2016 0 0 0 5 78 TCU 2012 6 Mark Asper 178 G 2014 0 0 0 0 7 Oregon 2012 7 John Potter 251 K 2013 0 0 0 0 9 West. Michigan 2012 3 Hits/9 Misses 33% Success Almost identical to 2011. Solid picks in Round 1 and 2, 1 good pick in the 4th round, and a punch of crap. Gilmore started slowly but had several quality years with the Bills. Many fans (including me) might argue he never was a good as the billing some give him. He is not a lockdown corner. But there's no denying he's a very very good CB. Cordy in the second round was probably Nix's best selection. When healthy, you can make the case for Cordy being one of the too 10 tackles in the NFL. Bradham is a very good LB. Not a star or a Pro Bowl LB, but he can definitely contribute and become an important part of the defense. The rest of the draft was terrible. TJ Graham at #3 was a pick many thought was poor and it sure did turn out that way. Still solid drafting at the top of the round saved Buddy here. Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 EJ Manuel 16 QB 2017 0 0 1 10 30 343 590 3767 20 16 96 339 4 Florida St. 2013 2 Robert Woods 41 WR 2017 0 0 5 26 69 6 34 0 259 3232 17 USC 2013 2 Kiko Alonso 46 LB 2017 0 0 3 25 58 7 3.0 Oregon 2013 3 Marquise Goodwin 78 WR 2017 0 0 2 14 55 10 65 0 105 1742 8 Texas 2013 4 Duke Williams 105 DB 2016 0 0 0 8 58 1 1.0 Nevada 2013 5 Jonathan Meeks 143 DB 2016 0 0 0 2 38 Clemson 2013 6 Dustin Hopkins 177 K 2017 0 0 3 7 39 Florida St. 2013 7 Chris Gragg 222 TE 2015 0 0 0 1 32 24 251 2 Arkansas 2013 Buddy left the Bills with a crap parting gift the likes we haven't seen since John Butler's 2000 draft. 1 Hit/7 Misses 14% Success I am sure many people will debate 2013 and that's fine. One thing you can't debate is EJ Manuel. It was a reach for a 3rd round QB who might have been available two rounds later. This selection set the team back for 2 seasons. It wasn't until Tyrod Taylor actually helped bail the team out of QB purgatory (slightly). Roberts Woods is a tough call. He had a breakout season but remember - this is only his performance on the Bills. Overall, I'd say he was a solid WR for the Bills and that his performance was close to a 2nd round selection to warrant a hit. Goodwin also had a breakout year in 2017 but he couldn't stay healthy as a member of the Bills. His performance does not justify a 3rd round pick. Kiko Alonso is a player I am sure some will argue for being hit. He was certainly a fast LB who has a HUGE 6 games of his rookie year but his performance began to slip as the year went on. Overall I just don't think his play lived up to his 2nd round selection and no you say "well he was traded for Lesean McCoy so that makes him a Hit." Nope. OVERALL 7 Hits/28 Misses 25% Success Hey, Buddy had his moments at the top of the draft for a few season, but overall he missed out on too many great players. Rather than being remembered for solid picks like Gilmore or Cordy Glenn, I think fans will attach him to Torrel Troupe and EJ Manuel. Buddy was probably a very good scout but I think this list shows that scouting is where he should have stayed. So here are the standings so far: 1. Russ Brandon: 28% 2. Marv Levy: 25% 3. Buddy Nix: 25% 4. Bill Polian: 23%

...Or because Gettleman has been talking with his friend and former co-worker Mr. Beane who has a lot more draft capital and proposed a better offer.

http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/3-19-dan-leberfeld-jets-confidential-schopp-and-bulldog I was listening to Dan Leberfeld who runs the Bills Digest equivalent for the NY Jets. Immediately Schoop and The Lapdog ask Dan about the Jets recent trade. He believes that the Jets will take Baker Mayfield and not Rosen or Allen. His reason is that the Jets tried drafting a developmental QB with accuracy issues 2 seasons in a row in "Hacksaw" Chris Hackenburg and Bryce Petty and were very unsuccessful in helping them along. He doesn't see how they can draft Allen who while gifted, has the same issues as the other two. Rosen is more of a political issue. Woody Johnson is Trump's ambassador to Great Britain. Josh Rosen has been outspoken against Trump and even wore and "F Trump" hat on a golf course. With Trump being so quick to fire people, it could end up getting Woody some serious heat. He doesn't see the Jets taking Rosen. *** In a hilariously awkward moment at 7:10.....Leberfeld tries to make his point and says "If someone wore an 'F Obama' hat how many draft boards would they be off?" Bulldog gets so tounge and starts stammering and Mike, who has aggressively defended Colin Kaepernick, seemed ticked off but clearly did not want to get into a debate and just says "are you saying there would be fewer teams?" LOL So the choice is Mayfield due to his accurate passing and the fact that Darnold will be gone at #1. What does this mean for the Bills? It's possible that Allen and/or Rosen could fall farther back than expected. Which would mean the Bills could trade up just a few spots and possible get one of those QB's. FWIW Mike thinks the Jets got ripped off in the trade for #3 and thinks the Bills should stay put. Bulldog probably agrees like usual

Waaaaaaa! Board is disorganized!

THE AUDACITY! You should have posted this under “Cleveland Browns” thread

There I said what a lot of people are thinking. It strikes me as so unbelievable to hear people complain about starting new threads? It reminds of the crybabies on the old Buffalo Bills Message Board. If you recall people got infractions for....starting new threads. The AUDACITY!!!! Maybe we should create universal threads like “Bills Draft Talk” or “Brandon Beane” or “Lesean McCoy.” That way there will less threads for you!!!!! LOL People this is a message board. Other me here and they do start threads. If you don’t like it - then leave. I’m so sick of seeing members complain and really cut down others for starting a new thread, rather than posting on a topic with 10 pages worth of posts that no one will read. The fact is, we’re all Bills fans and this is a pretty interesting time for then organization. Fan interest and excitement is pretty high. It should come as no surprise that people are starting new threads! Yes I get that the board has grown over the past year and it may be different than it was in the past but get over yourself! My suggestion to you - start your own Bills message at ProBoards.com. Then you can organize YOUR message board the way you want.

If these were Bills QB’s.... there would be a number of fans here arguing that many names on your list were NOT busts and were good picks. I know from doing “Hits and Misses”

Nice a fan blogger breaks down an NFL player. Sounds credible

No it’s fine for you to start your own threads. The thread nazi’s here at BBMB are starting to come out. Dont pay one ounce of attention and start as many threads as you want. This is a message board for crying out loud!

Unless Dorsey wants to get fired, he is keeping #1 and taking Darnold. Cleveland has a history of passing on QB’s early in the draft. They won’t do it this year. Now I can see him trading out of #4, but Cleveland has so many picks as it is, I don’t see how that will help much. Maybe it’s a plan to package some picks to jump up earlier in rounds 1-3. It doesn’t make sense to me because if they stand pat, they can draft a QB and RB combo for the future

I think Philly is taking Polian's advice = 2 #1's and 2 #2's! Yes it would be....Foles is a good QB. He played a great game in the Super Bowl but he was also surrounded by excellent talent and coaching. He's not the franchise level QB that the team set out to get when the began stocking up a year ago. Also, trading Foles for #12 in the draft is overspending on a talent. That idea is a complete FAIL

Trading down after trading up to #12 would be a colossal fail for Beane and the entire front office. There's about a 0% of this happenning

I think the QB they wanted the entire time is Sam Darnold. When it became clear that Cleveland was taking him #1, they set their sights on Josh Rosen and possible Josh Allen. Now it's looking like both will be gone, unless they can swing a desperate trade

Doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t have a QB in the NFL you don’t win on a CONSISTENT basis. We have 17+ years of our own data to back that up. The NFL has much more. The Bills need to draft a Qb

Careful there @Fetou, I analyzed the draft where Whitney was taken. Many fans here tried to tell me he was a good pick

Gabriel is a clown... that’s why it drives me nuts when people act like he’s an expert