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This list is #thereasondougwhaleywasfired

Yes exactly. Why is it so hard to understand. That’s like the The Greatest QB’s of All-Time list. It’s the greatest QB’s as of 2018.

Ok Ill be doing Hits and Misses on Doug whaley and I’ll be sure to tag you. Many like yourself feel that Whaley was a great GM despite the losing record and poor draft history he put up

Well I should clarify.... it’s more polarizing for the current time. How fans feel in 2018. I feel that’s the best way to do it. The whole “how people felt at the height the controversies” is way too hard to quantify Cringeworthy material like this give fans in this forum a bad name.

I don’t shut down any dialogue. I state my opinion. If you don’t like what I have to say, that’s your problem. Very true but a lot more information has been released since 1995. We also know some of the bizarre things OJ has done since then, including nearly a decade long stint for armed robbery. I think that many of the people who were crying tears of joy might have a different view now Yep good selection. I left Russ off the list because I dont feel there’s too many defending him. Most either are indifferent or don’t like the guy. There’s not too much love for Russ

You cant think of anyone that loved him? Look how many people in this forum defend him anytime there’s criticism. I disagree with you 100% here. Whaley is #1 Watkins surely is worth consideration as he too polarizing. In my opinion, it pales in comparison to Tyrod this season, but perhaps that’s because the Bills already traded Sammy last Spring

It’s going to be on draft day. I think Beane will wait to see how things end up before pulling the trigger. If the Giants are willing to deal, I feel pretty confident in his relationship with Gettleman not to pull something underhanded

We will see. I am going to start an OJ Simpson thread and we’ll see what the response is

Right this entire thread is polarizing which is why we are all entitled to our opinions. I will stand by mine - in 2018 Doug Whaley is a more devisive figure than Doug Whaley The writers work for their media outlets... not the Bills so I didn’t consider them. I get what you are saying though Personally I disagree with that. Just read some of the threads in here

LOL I’m in my late 30’s. Not very “youthful!” The only knock I remember about Kelly was that he wasn’t as good Marino. I remember people calling into talk radio to say “If the Bills drafted Marino over Kelly, we’d have won 3 Super Bowls.” Outside of that I feel the fan base was pretty content with Kelly but like you said because of age and location we all have different perspectives

You’re in the minority pal. I can’t take him seriously as a “journalist” given the fact that he’s reluctant to report anything the team doesn’t want him to. Like most fans, I ignore him

There are people actually supporting OJ? LOL and I certainly will take you up on the offer. I bet that if I started an “Is OJ Guilty” thread we’d have at least 80% saying yes

Some very decent choices but I’d disagree with the order a bit. As far as Whaley not having supporters - you are mistaken! There are fans here who will defend Doug to the death Perhaps.... I don’t have the perspective as a old fan. I just know that growing up, the majority of the fans base was 100% Jim Kelly. There was no polarization there. The others are interesting choices, but in 2018 I feel there are more polarizing candidates

No he doesn’t make the list. In order to be polarizing, you have to have an equal number of fans love you and hate you at the same time. OJ is a villain. He doesn’t have enough support from the fan base. Most fans don’t like OJ for obvious reasons

Chris Brown is dreadful to listen to! He is the worst As far as the other names - I don’t think the job pays well enough for either of them to take it. It’s 5 days a week for a salary that’s probably not great.

I was around but no the boards. It very well could be because that was 20 years ago and the other 4 are more topical. But in 2018, I feel that Bills fans feel way more passionately about Doug Whaley than they do about Flutie Also an overwhelming majority of members here said that Flutie was the best QB since Kelly. I don’t feel he’s anywhere near as polarizing as any of the other 4

Disagree. I think that the majority of Bills fans disagree more with the other 4 on the list above Flutie. Whaley is a clear #1 I think you might be misinterpreting what polarizing means. It means that it divides the fan base. Doug Whaley divides fan base much more than Doug Flutie does - as do the other 4 on the list Whitey?

Let's take a break from these redundant draft threads and talk Bills history! po·lar·ize - ˈpōləˌrīz/ To divide or cause to divide into two sharply contrasting groups or sets of opinions or beliefs Throughout the history of the Buffalo Bills, there are many figures who fans feel very strongly about. When talking to a Bills fan, I'm sure you found yourself in a passionate debate about a former player or front office worker. This message board is a great example. There are names that you can throw out in any topic that will immediately elicit strong and contrasting feelings. That's why I'm putting together this list of the Top 5 Polarizing Figures in Buffalo Bills history. Remember, polarizing doesn't mean "most hated," it's a figure that divides the fan base. You either like them or you don't. Let's go #5 to #1. #5 - Doug Flutie Many Bills fans have fond memories of Flutie - whose short stature made him the ideal underdog to get behind. However other fans are quick to point out Doug's shortcomings, notably the periods of time when his offenses were stagnant or unimpressive. I also remember Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick writing the book on how to neutralize Flutie. The more interesting aspect of Flutie in my opinion, is the perception of Flutie by fans versus the media/locker room. Flutie comes off as the nicest, most-humble guy but according to reports from the media and ex players (including Thurman Thomas), he was a politician that lobbied to start in front of Rob Johnson behind the scenes. #4 - Stephon Gilmore Gilmore was a very high draft pick that had huge expectations. Initially, he struggled during his rookie year but he progressively got better. It's clear that Gilmore had a potential and you can't deny he was, at worst, an above average CB. But that's where the debate starts. Gilmore has looked tremendous at times and other times we've seen him getting beat by subpar wide receivers. Gilmore has a habit of blowing coverages and his body language appears to make it look like he's blaming others. The other nock on Gilmore is that didn't make as many plays as the top CB's in the NFL did. Some feel that Gilmore was a top notch CB, whereas other find him to be overrated. Gilmore is still being discussed today by the Bills fan base. Many were happy to say "adios" when Gilmore signed a huge deal in New England, others watch his play in the Super Bowl and think "we never should have let him go" #3 - Ralph C. Wilson As I detailed in a previous thread here, many Bills fans have mixed reactions about Wilson. On one hand, Ralph was extremely generous the the local community both near Buffalo and the entire Western, NY region. It also appears that he did make the path to relocation after he passed about as difficult as possible. So you can't doubt his generosity or his loyalty. The downside is, Ralph was not really a great owner as evidenced the overall record of the Bills under his leadership. Many will say that Ralph was "cheap" and, with a few exceptions, didn't believe in paying a top notch coach or GM. He also had a very bad reputation for being a meddling owner who interfered on a regular basis. There's no better example than the Music City Miracle. Personally, I feel Ralph is the person most responsible for the Bills dreadful 17 year drought and you can't deny that his decisions really "tarnished the brand" as a great man once said! Ralph's deal seems to be that he was a great person but a bad owner and this causes a lot of dialogue. #2 - Tyrod Taylor Much like Flutie, Taylor's unique skillset and non-traditional play at QB make him a lightning rod for debate. Taylor's exceptional athletic ability allows him to make many plays with his feet. He also can throw a great deep ball and regularly connected with receivers down the field. To complicate matters, Taylor's work ethic and leadership has been applauded by many in the organization, as has his dedicated to volunteering in the community. Bottom line - as a person this kid is top-notch. The knock on Taylor has always been his ability to pass from the pocket. He regularly has been inaccurate when throwing short to intermediate routes and he has been reluctant to throw to the middle of the field. While Taylor had some success at QB for the Bills, many will point out his very low passing yardage and is lackluster record in bringing the Bills back from a deficit. Still Taylor's defenders (and there are plenty of them) will cite other issues such as offensive scheme, play calling, and overall talent to explain his poor passing production. There's no way around - with Taylor you fall into two distinct and contrasting camps #1 - Doug Whaley I don't care what anyone says - Whaley is the most polarizing figure in Buffalo Bills history. Go ahead and mention Whaley at any Bills Backers bar. You'll clearly divide any group you are speaking to. Many liked Whaley's brave move of trading up for Sammy Watkins and some of the big name veteran additions he added through trades or free agency. Whaley's detractors will point out his poor record in the draft, his inability to truly build a team as opposed to simply "acquiring talent." Whaley did himself zero favors for some very embarrassing and awkward comments to the media. The ultimate Whaley defense narrative is that he wasn't able to be a "true" GM. He allegedly never was able to select his own coach and his poor drafts were because he was trying to pick players for a scheme. The majority of the Bills fan base is content with Beane as GM, but there are still many who pine for Doug Whaley and feel he was wronged. No matter where you fall - Whaley is the most debated figure in Bills history. That's my list - Let's hear what you think

Lets make a bet. I will bet you $50 that they don’t trade down. That’s how confident I feel that they aren’t moving down. Are we on?

If you consider the context of the Bills decisions since the 2017 draft, it’s pretty clear that they didn’t make all those moves only to trade back down in the draft. While this idea makes sense on paper - there’s a 0% chance of this happening consider they traded up to #12.

Give the guy a break. This is a message board. You should be able to post what you want without hearing “this is a LAMP thread.”

It sounds like he got swindled by a high-end diamond jewler...go figure! Also how could he have financial issues with the money he’s made? To my knowledge he doesn’t have any high-profile divorces or legal settlements, so if he has issues it’s because of many situations like this

“It’s whats for dinner?” WTF stupid kind of verbiage is that? Terrible

This is a perfectly logical take and while it’s phrased a little strong, I’d also agree that as a football owner Ralph was not very effective. This is especially true during the past 17 years. I put the blame for the drought largely on his shoulders. That’s exactly what makes Ralph such a polarizing figure. You can have issues with him as an owner but can’t deny his loyalty and philanthropy to the WNY region. The fact that Ralph was extremely generous to the area doesn’t change the fact that didn’t make great decisions as owner of the Bills over the 2 decades or so

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/04/buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_reportedly_trying_like_hell_to_trade_up_for_qb.html An interesting article from Matthew Fairburn about rumors of Brandon Beane trying to strike a deal to move up in the draft for a QB. The source cited was Jason LaCanfora so that that what you will. I know LaCanfora has been used many times by agents to get a message out there. "Brandon is trying like hell to get up and get a quarterback," the NFL GM told La Canfora. "I'm convinced he'll trade up twice more if he has to. It reminds me of (Eagles general manager) Howie (Roseman) a few years ago (when he was moving up to land Carson Wentz)."