Jerome007

Agreed but we also need to point out that they didn't really plan on playing Josh until mid-year, if necessary... The Bills have are what, 2-2 with Allen and 0-5 without him? Or 2-3 and 0-4. Anyway, whatever happens elsewhere, I hope he and Edmund come back soon to learn on the fly.

I've written that a few times here too. Feels often like speaking to a wall so thanks

Yep. The positives are for NEXT year. Overall on defense, the few losses to FA, retirements and whatnot should not impact defense much, and if the Brass focus on the offense with FA, trades and picks, it could get better quickly, just like the Bears. Lawson had a good showing, and under 200 yards allowed is damn good. OK I'm done

But sometimes the run blocking looked half-decent. Not today...

Kind of irrelevant? What? While I do agree a bad team in a small market makes it harder to get some guys and have to "overpay" compared to other teams, saying it's irrelevant is just being a pouty negative crybaby. Which after a stretch of games like this year can be easy to comprehend but come on.

Come on now. He deserved to be cut for his other performances, but not after today. Was he good? Nope. But he did look like a lot of 3rd stringers in this league. And he was accurate And besides a few flashes by Allen, no QB has looked good on the team this year! None. Maybe it's the team and not all on them? WRs and OLine, suspect playcalling - though last 2 games can we really blame Daboll? Man this team needs new players on offense next year! Shady was tackled in the back field all day long. But why not throw to him again? Run from swing passes instead of it in the middle? Why not see 2 back sets and unique sets like last week? So I guess I just had a turnaround moment on Daboll!

Shady's stats are awful this year, but any one of us watching the game can see that it's not on him! Just like the Bear's offense and Trubinski went from 30th last year to top 10 this year, he can bounce back for sure. His desire to perform and win are there for sure. Stats don't say everything! He can still play. And by the same eye-test evaluation, so can Allen. To what level we don't know but they have not been in awesome situations so far... This year it has a LOT to do with an awful they are. The Bills have the least paid active roster in the NFL because of all the dead cap space! So yeah it matters. But for next year, cap space is what they'll have more than any other team so keeping Shady makes sense.

What? At 3-6 or 2-7, you can show you're "desperate". Or truly care about helping the QBs on the roster...

Those that want Peterman gone so bad might get their wishes tomorrow if Nate again stinks up the place, as there is an additional QB on the roster now, well two if the new WR is thrown in the mix (BTW, in the mix or not for a QB spot, I sure hope he is used to throw a pass on trick plays! I can't believe the Cheatriots have never used Elleman for that!). And both Allen and Anderson are likely back sooner than later. Easy to say fire X, fire Y, fire Z, but you need people to fill their spots! Am I confident in Peterman tomorrow? Hell no. But shut up already, he is the QB they have for now! In a way we did expect the QBs to be hurt this season as the OLine had looked so bad early on and in preseason, but it has had more to do with bad luck than that. Yes Beane should have acted way earlier for Anderson and even to replace Peterman, but we are NOW, not in lalaland, and Nate starts tomorrow. It's really his last chance to save his NLF career, not only his Bills one. Beane is a new guy, so is McD, and even vets make mistakes so they have some leeway. But, QB is the most important position in football yet we didn't get any sense of urgency from the Bills brass. For a long while there was only Josh and Nate on the roster, even after the later was benched. No excuse for that, seriously.

And who exactly is out there? You know how many teams are looking for great QBs? At least half the NFL teams! Great QBs and Wrs and OLinemen are not stocked somewhere magical to pick them off a shelf. Allen could be damn good as well. And good on Beane to admit this. A QB coach could help too... Foles is an anomaly but for a 2 win team, the 49s seem to always have good QB play. Coaching helps. No doubt Mahones is great, but man is he ever well surrounded on offense, from coaches to the OLine, stacked everywhere. Allen has performed on line with the other rookie QBs, surrounded with less talent, has had critical drops including at least one TD, yet so many "fans" want to vomit on his chances. SMH at those who would prefer to be "proven right that he is a bust" than rooting for him to be the QB of the future for the Bills.

No sustained success but damn all his QBs have performed great for him, certainly not coincidence! His example and how quickly the Bears (and Trubinski) turned their offense around gives hope for Allen in 2019

I'm glad he is. But I've seen so many hockey GMs give a vote of confidence to their coach and fire him days after to put too much weight on his words But still, nice to make your captain feel welcomed - and not too disappointed to not have been traded to the Eagles... He had 80 receiving yards, played after a concussion, so hard to criticize the man, but his body language was not great last game.

I too wishes he has a decent game so he doesn't have to be the butt of jokes forever on. He doesn't deserve it and surely has shown perseverance. Yet I still don't think he can be not should be a NFL QB... Hey, it's on him to prove the world wrong.

Oh sure. Playcalling, OFFENSIVE LINEMEN, running game, it has got nothing to do with it. It's 90% the QB... And star WRs are just glorified fantasy stat hoarders thanks to their QBs, right? Hey, I agree the QB is the most important part. But football is a team game. Let's not disrespect the process... that all teams use. Nor the big guys - the game is won in the trenches as the saying goes.

Women drama all can handle this time ha ha

These don't matter in that it wasn't McD or Beane or even the Pegulas in charge. This year has been bad enough LOL Well I am of the opinion Allen can be quite good! But a team still needs a least one decent backup. Anderson as a mentor was also a late but good addition. Injuries compounded the bad stuff.

I've been saying this from day one. And they've done this just a few times, and quite a lot in the 1st quarter of the last game. About time! Do it more, way more! Shady and Ivory are the stars on offense. Keep the defenses guessing! BTW Ivory is a damn good blocker for pas protection too. IDK about his receiving skills but he has caught a huge one from Allen.

This. I'll say this: yesterday was the first time that his body language was not up to snuff. But the dude came back from a concussion to play, and he was a threat, so criticism should be spared! The Bills brass don't use him enough, especially in the passing game! Yesterday was a step in the right direction for a few things on offense. But it was so new in a way the players were confused. It should be better from now on. Still, can't wait for JOSH TO BE BACK! As for "deserves better". Sure, but all players and even us FANS do. He is paid handsomely so in that regard I won't cry for him. But I do hope he's still here next year and get to taste a victorious season!

I think they measure everything! But yeah the difference between JA and Nate most be something else...

The pregame with the crazy fans, seeing Berman interviewing Kelly, Thomas, then Bruce on the show, it was just awesome.

Count me in as well, at 95%. I don't consider this a moral victory. Because of the end. Edmund lost, Anderson lost, the TD turning into a pick-6. The Bills had a chance, a small one, but they had one. Which in a way it is positive as contrary to doomsday scenarios, the difference between winning and losing are a few things here and there. Imagine just one better OLineman and 2 good WRs from free agency (they have the cap space next year!) and draft picks, some better player chemistry, some better playcalling, and boom, the Bills can be a winning team. Those that want to pout, recall they made the playoffs last year and now look like bottom feeders. And many teams have had quick turn arounds - and sometimes up and down like the Raiders. Problem is the good players like Shady, Ivory, Kyle, Lorax could be gone... As for the original post, I have noticed that too. As for me, first time I have lost so much of my fire. Not with apathy but simply accepting the losses this year. Writing this as a season to prepare the future - with Allen and maybe Edmund not even playing grrrrrr. I imagine how hard it can for the vets not to feel the same thing and for the coaches to maintain morale.

Not that I was surprised I'm any shape or form, but I hate the losing attitude. The Bills were in it til the 4th quarter and could have pulled it off. Offense not only didn't score a TD but had one scored against them. Defense was awesome and special teams pretty good (Hauska being money, as usual). Milano and Kyle and all the secondary played so well. Offense... ouch. Ivory looked good though and I did like all the creativity in the first drives. It'll take a lot more of that for the Bears. As for fighting another fan, yep, get a grip. Though we all have seen real obnoxious people in need of an ass kicking.

The most important young players are Allen and Edmunds, both currently out. What a season... I hope Nate shuts his naysayers before moving to another career but I doubt it will happen. Only the RBs are a force on offense. I hope 90% of new 2019 money goes to the offense!

Some of you are incurable LOL Like if other teams were all so much better. The Bills were average for the most part. Only this year have they become doormats. Anyway, one of my points is that designed plays that can be practiced even by the least talented teams should be seen. KC is loaded to the core so of course you can't replicate their versatility and complexity. Cheatriots have Brady but I watched their opening drive and 95% of the success was all scheme and basic execution. As the game goes on of course talent takes over by a wide margin. But good coaching should help have some initial success, and then help get some ryhtmn and be tailored to your players' strengths and weaknesses. It seems a crap shoot to me so far, as if Daboll relies on luck, and can't really analyze tendencies and his own players. Roman designed great plays but was bad at calling them during games. His obsession at supposedly adjusting to the other teams' strengths meant the Bills O had no identity. It's called outsmarting yourself. With Daboll I see little logic though in his defense he discovers Allen and the team's identity as they go along.

Do you guys watch other games on the regular? I used to, now I will catch a few pieces here and there. Still, it's good to have comparisons and an outside perspective. First. very few teams, if any in fact, are complete. All have some glaring weaknesses on offense and/or defense. Good OLines are rare but damn do they make a difference. And if we analyzed their draft picks and trades, all of them have failures. It's like when we watch other teams we mostly notice the obvious and mainly their good things, while we overanalyze the Bills and all their mistakes. That out of the way, it's quite obvious that the play selection on offense here is too basic. Forget the limited talent. Watch some opening drives by other teams: the reverses, quick passes to the slant, misdirections, play actions, etc. could ALL be done by the Bills. The long pass plays are rare for the most part but they have some - while for some reason Allen didn't have some in his last games. Because of playcalling, 1-3 times a game a receiver is wide open. And you know what, it happened here too before. You think O'Reilly got so open because of his speed? Daboll really to up his game! He calls way too basic plays. Talent is limited but not THAT limited! Anything you guys notice? Again the goal is not to vomit all over the Bills staff as typical here and as if other teams didn't make also many bonehead moves. But just to discuss what could be so much better quickly with the current roster.