Victory Formation

Giants Cardinals Browns Ravens Bears Bengals Broncos Jaguars EDIT: There's a couple other teams over the next 2-3 years that I think we can surpass, this is just for right now, today.

Good player, but I think Siran Neal is going to blow up as a S/LB/DB. I could see him playing LB in the nickel and some safety in obvious rushing situations, the guy plays with brutality. Edmunds and Milano will get the brunt of playing time, Neal and Lorax will split time.

Why though? That's not biasedness. Nobody at all had Baker Mayfield at #1, nobody! It was Allen or Darnold on every mock I read. We invested a fortune into QB, I will acknowledge that it may not start out pretty, there is going to be a period of tribulation but you'd hope that by the end of the year Allen takes that job and doesn't look back.

I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. Allen was projected at #1 overall for months leading up to the draft, I don't think fans realize how fortunate we are to have him. The Bengals were offered 2 2nds for McCarron, he has also shown potential. We have a bright future.

Is it really? Our QB stable is actually pretty decent. One of the hottest backup QBs over the last 2-3 years and the #7 overall pick. Dez and Benjamin would be disgusting! I'd love Dez on a 1 year prove it deal, get it done. Allen needs all the help he can get.

Could not have worked out any better, Beane is a good GM who got really really lucky on top of that.

I think Neal plays lots of LB in the nickel which makes up 63% of most defenses. Phillips will over take Kyle by the end of the year.

Murphy, Lotulelei, Phillips, Hughes Neal, Edmunds, Milano Kyle and Lorax rotate in on occasion.

That's exactly right, doesn't seem like there is a victim here other than Russ. He should know better though, work relationships can be tricky.

Whatever Beane wants, I trust his decision ?%.

Obviously it worked out for the best for both parties. The power structure wasn't right, I don't think Whaley was a good GM. I think had Marrone had Beane as his GM, we'd be going on deep playoff runs but honestly I think McDermott is the better coach.

Probably an aspiring QB who wants to emulate the best to ever play the game. I see a lot of Brady in Allen, it's clear he emulates many aspects of Brady's game.

The way I see it we walked away with 3 starters (Allen, Edmunds and Phillips) and 2 potential starters (Neal and Teller) and 3 misses (Johnson, Proehl and McCloud). Very impressive job by Beane.

Agree. I wouldn't change anything.

You don't get in-between a man and his woman. When you get married to someone you become one with that person. Kim as president is essentially the same thing as Terry as president.

I'm white and I know there is a resurgance of white receivers in the league but I don't think Proehl will be one of them, sorry. Foster is a guy I like a lot, I like him way better than Proehl and McCloud, I think he has a real shot at not only making the roster but seeing significant playing time, he is my dark horse pick, I like him a lot.

You forgot one other important thing, we have two solid QBs locked up very cheap. A bridge QB on a very team friendly contract and the #7 overall pick on a cheap 5 year contract. If Allen comes on strong we are going to have a lot of cap space to build a contender like the Eagles did with Wentz.

He understands the game, very smart player, but I agree for different reasons. I'd start McCarron until Allen settles down emotionally. Let the euphoria of being the #7 overall pick settle down a little, let the pressure settle down a bit. I think if you start McCarron there's a good chance we see Allen by week 7, 8 or 9. I'd rather do it that way because if Allen starts week 1 and goes through growing pains, fans are going to start grumbling for McCarron to start and then we have a QB controversy. Start McCarron, let him fall on his face, insert Allen and let him be our savior.

Allen was Wyoming's offense, he carried them on his back. In Buffalo he is going to be asked to do next to nothing. We made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor throwing for 2,800 yards and 14 TDs, all Allen has to do is throw for 20 TDs and limit turnovers and we should make the playoffs 2 years in a row. We should have a strong defense and Allen has a way better supporting cast than he's ever had in his entire life. He's never had a running back like LeSean McCoy or receivers like Charles Clay and Kelvin Benjamin. Fans say our talent on offense is weak but to Allen this is like waking up on Christmas morning and gifts under his tree, he has never had this much talent to work with at any point in his career from the time he played in peewee through high school and college until now, he is gushing right now.

Fair enough, but my point is McCown finished with a 67% completion percentage and a 18:9 TD/INT ratio in 13 games and was on pace to throw for 3,600 yards. McCown had a really good year and the Jets still finished with 5 wins. Darnold has to do a lot lot more than what Allen will be asked to do. Tyrod threw for 14 TDS in 14 games and passed for 2,800 yards, that is not hard to out do. We made the playoffs despite Tyrod not because of him. QB was a glaring weakness all season long on a 9-7 team, whereas Darnold is going to a 5-11 team where QB was actually a strength.

Well, Allen has way more help than Darnold has. Allen is coming from a school where literally none of his teammates got drafted, now all of a sudden he has Kelvin Benjamin, Charles Clay and Nick O'Leary to throw to with McCoy in the backfield. Who does Darnold have? Seriously. He went from a loaded roster in college to a bare cupboard in the pros. Maybe he can overcome it, maybe he can't. Allen has a lot less adversity to overcome than Darnold, that's a fact. Darnold will be asked to do a lot more and to be frank, I don't think he can do it. Allen is not going to be asked to do a whole lot right away, we can ease him in. Also, the Jets have no picks to build around Darnold with in the future. They traded everything away for Darnold and they are going to be without their 2nd in 2019. Jamaal Adams is a good player don't get me wrong but the Jets draft was down right terrible, like really really bad.They need a lot of help in many areas all over the field, the Bills are a playoff team with an influx of talent, the Jets are bottom feeders that gave up a ton of picks. Bowles is also a dumb coach, I question his ability to groom Darnold. I know Adams was just talking **** probably trying to get a few laughs and have fun but he is going to be disappointed. If Allen can be a better QB than Tyrod Taylor, we're in the playoffs. Sam Darnold will have to be a generational talent to get the Jets to the playoffs.

That's a really solid comparison, count me in for that idea. No longer will Poyer and Hyde get abused, I can promise you that.

It infuriates me. At times I feel like I'm arguing with people that never even watched these guys play. I'm not even talking about actively scouting players but just 15-20 minutes of highlight reels and game tape, I feel like a big chunk of debbie downers haven't even done that.

Wtf does that have to do with anything? Why character assassinate? This is Beane's first draft, how do you know exactly? That's right, you don't. Maybe if you took the 30-45 minutes a day that you spend posting nonsense here and instead watched some tape you'd know that this was a very good haul.

You got to factor in that this is a football forum and football forums don't necessarily attract the smartest people. The fans that bother me the most are the ones with the really strong opinions and you can tell that they never watched the player in question play before. They go off of what analysts and experts say instead of watching guys for an hour on YouTube.