ghostwriter

I think Rudolph is there at 21, I also think 4 QBs going in the top 10 is highly unlikely, though I could be wrong. I have no special powers, I can't see into the future, just guessing.

I'm not talking about skill, demeanor, intelligence, I'm talking about sheer slinging a football around, one of the best I've ever seen in my entire life. Your criticisms of everything else though is understandable and fair, I understand where you're coming from. Do you remember Drew Henson? He threw a pretty darn good ball too, but he couldn't piece it all together too. He threw such a nice ball that Tom Brady was his backup, it could be a similar situation, but I do think Allen is immeasurably better than Henson, but both had/have immense arm talent with concerns about the rest of their game.

He is going to be a beast, he could probably be a 3-4 DE, but I'd love him next to Kyle Williams inside, I'd love him in the 1st round, not a chance he makes it to RD2 like many thought, he is going to be good.

No offense, but this is stupid. Arm talent means exactly what it says. The ability to pinpoint a bomb 50 yards down the field while running for your life. The ability to laser a football into a window that 99% of the starting QBs in the NFL couldn't do. The talent is unquestionable, Allen has as good of an arm if not better than most of the Golden Jacket QBs you see in Canton. Whether you want to criticize him for other things, that's fine and I may agree on some of those concerns, but arm talent is what it is.

I think pretty much everybody has those fears otherwise he would go #1 no questions asked, but I think he'd do well here. Big strong arm QB, big hands, tall, big frame can take a hit. I think he goes #1 overall, I really do. Only other QB I'd trade up for is Sam Darnold, otherwise I'd rather sit tight and draft Rudolph at 21.

I can't even count how many times I've seen a play break down and Allen scrambles to avoid a sack, I've also seen him break tackles to avoid being sacked. He is nothing like Jamarcus Russell, Allen has HOF talent, he is like Ben Roethlisberger with the arm talent of Johnny Unitas BUT his accuracy issues are a concern. How much of that was because of his receivers not getting open? How much of that is because he couldn't even get a clean pocket half the time?

You're right about Allen and Rudolph, wrong about Jackson, he has no future as an NFL starter. Allen has better arm talent than just about every starting QB in the NFL, you're very right about that, also the lowest floor.

If Allen falls to 10, I want to trade up for him. If he doesn't drop, I want Rudolph. I like Mayfield too, but I'm unsure about him. At this point it comes down to Allen or Rudolph for me.

Lamar Jackson will never pass for 4,000 yards in the NFL, but will have moderate success as a mid range starter for 3-4 seasons. Won't bust, better player than Tyrod, but won't live up to his 1st round status. Josh Rosen will have a moderately successful career, but riddled by injuries and character concerns, will become a journeyman QB that bounces around the league for 7-8 years. Sam Darnold makes multiple Pro Bowls, has success as a playoff QB, maybe a top 7-12 guy, but is never good enough to win a Super Bowl, he will have a career just like Tony Romo's. Josh Allen is an enigma to me. I think he can be the best QB in the draft bar none, but if he is drafted by the Browns or Jets I think he will be a draft bust. If he goes to the Giants or Broncos, he will become a top 3 QB in the NFL, needs to be handled correctly, Broncos would be great for him. Baker Mayfield, I think he has a better chance of having a solid NFL career than he does as a draft bust. Certain things bother me about him, but just like Josh Allen he has a certain attitude and Moxy about him that I like, reminds me of Kelly. Mason Rudolph, the forgotten man of the group, slips through the cracks and turns into a multiple 4,000 yard passer. Never turns into an elite player, but is a good starter that has a successful career, reminds me a lot of Philip Rivers, Rudolph is my dark horse in the draft. Kyle Lauletta. Has a successful career as a very high level backup, maybe even good enough to start on some teams, never becomes a good QB, but a traveling journeyman in the NFL.

First 3 years: 14 sacks 19.5 sacks 8 sacks He essentially forfeited a 100 million dollar contract.

You and me both brother. I follow the prospects in RDS 1-3 because I like to get familiar with guys we draft. I'm also FAR from a scout, just a passionate fan with a worthless opinion. I like the team building aspect of football more than I enjoy watching the actual games.

tl;dr

No. We get a QB this year. Anything less than that is a failure.

I'm curious if Rosen, Allen, Darnold or Mayfield fall to 10, that would be the time to move up. It would likely take 21 and 22, but we wouldn't be on the hook for anything more after that.

Most of the time you're right. RB, LB, DB and WR it's important to a degree, not as important as you eluded to, you have to factor in change of direction, lateral movement and acceleration, the 40yd is a nice stat though, but definitely overrated.

I'd take a chance on him at 10 though, he has Big Ben potential with escapability and the way he extends plays, can throw the ball 70 yards off his back foot. Risky prospect, but I'm all in if he slides to 10. Would still have all of our other picks.

I don't want him, I admit we need help on the DL, but I don't think Curry is the guy. I'd like to see if Shaq can develop, wouldn't mind a few rotational guys behind him.

Rudolph I could see throwing for 4,000 many times over his career, he has the higher ceiling. I think Jackson can accumulate 4,000 yards passing and rushing combined, but not with just his arm. If you bottle up Jackson in the pocket and force him to throw, I don't think he can carry you with his arm, Rudolph can.

And then we have Lamar Jackson over Mason Rudolph, I mean are we serious? Jackson throwing for 4,000 yards is just as likely as Ivanka Trump giving me a BJ.

I think black QBs are held to lower standards. You have guys like Kirk Cousins throw 4,000 yards back to back to back and he is only a top 12-15 QB. Cam Newton throws for 4,000 once in 7 years and he is hailed as an 'elite' franchise QB.

21.) Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State 22.) Isaiah Wynn, OL, Georgia 53.) Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech 56.) Josey Jewells, LB, Iowa

You're right, I thought you were talking about Rudolph, my bad. I was active in a Rudolph thread at the time I posted that, my fault.

- I think there is a big drop off at center after Wynn and Price, might be smart to go there in the 1st. - Either of the Georgia RBs would be great in RD2. I'd say Sony Michel is the better of the two but Nick Chubb is not far behind. - DT is incredibly deep, should be a good player for us in RD2. Tim Settle is a beast, I also like Taven Bryan and RJ McIntosh. - Josey Jewells is going to be a dominant MLB in the NFL for a long time, I expect him to rise up draft boards, he is as good as anybody.

Anybody else like this guy? I've seen him listed as a 2nd-3rd round prospect, but honestly I think he is the 2nd best DT in the draft behind Vita Vea. He's a load, perfect guy to put next to Kyle Williams, he is awfully nimble for a guy so big.

Which I don't understand, Cam only threw for 4k+ one time in his entire career. His career passing % is 58.5%. Is Cam Newton the standard for passing?