ghostwriter

I've shown you statistics that provide examples as to what other teams have done. Why not learn from the mistakes of other people so you don't make the same mistakes yourself? 33% chance at best to find a franchise QB if we trade the farm for to get into the top 5. Or we could take those 5 picks in the top 65 selections and build our own version of the Legion of Boom.

When is the last time we've had this many picks? We can literally load up and build a powerhouse. Trading that away for nothing, why do it? I could see moving up 8-10 spots because that would not put a dent in our capital, but moving in the top 10 like some want is irresponsible.

Well, take Goff, Wentz and Watson off the list then, which makes my reasoning behind this thread even more meaningful. Fans want to trade the farm for a QB when the odds of landing a franchise guy is 33% at best.

Well, let me put it this way, do you think Chicago would make the same trade today that they did a year ago for Trubisky?

Fair enough, maybe I'm letting my personal opinion get in the way on that, but I really don't think so, he sucks.

Out of the teams that traded up for 1st round QBs in the past 10 years: 2017: Chicago for Mitchell Trubisky Kansas City for Patrick Mahomes Houston for Deshaun Watson 2016: Los Angeles for Jared Goff Philadelphia for Carson Wentz 2015: no one. 2014: Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater 2013: no one. 2012: Washington gave up the farm for RG3. 2011: nobody. 2010: nobody. 2009: Tampa Bay traded to #17 for Josh Freeman. 2008: Nobody So out of the 9 QBs taken: 33% have been great. (Wentz, Goff, Watson) 44% have been busts. (Freeman, RG3, Trubisky, Manziel) 22% the jury is still out on. (Bridgewater, Mahomes)

You didn't hear about this first in one of your high level meetings, did you?

If he's so good, why didn't he beat out Andy Dalton?

The guaranteed money doesn't seem too bad, but is he really better than Tyrod? I don't think so, I'd rather just draft one.

I'd rather Foles be a draft day trade or no trade at all. I don't want to give up a 2nd for him, what happens if one of the big 4 comes tumbling down the board and we want to move up? 21 + 53 gets us up to 12, I think that's best case scenario for us and very realistic.

They finally understand the importance of sitting a rookie QB on the bench for a year. Good on them for not feeding Allen to the wolves. Taylor is a nice bridge, they should win more games this year. He is much better than Kizer, that's for sure!

There are some very good QB prospects this year, but I don't see a guaranteed home run guy. I understand if Andrew Luck or a Carson Wentz guy is sitting there, but I just don't feel that way about any of them, they all have flaws. Good prospects this year, not great, no one sticks out to me.

How do you justify taking a QB in the top 3, when you are on record saying that we are more than one player away? The media would cannibalize McBeane if they gave up every single pick we own for one player. Especially in a draft where there is no Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz prospect. I think we'll wait until one of the top 4 guys falls through the cracks and we move 21 + a 2nd what's left. They could just stay put and draft Rudolph or trade for Foles, who knows? I just think that Mayfield will drop and he will be way too hard to pass up on.

I am taking Beane and McDermott at their word. They may trade up, but I don't think it will be a colossal trade. I don't think it's a smokescreen, I believe them, some GMs and coaches are straight shooters, I think Beane and McDermott are one of them.

I'm going off of common sense. Beane and McDermott both have said that we are not just one player away and that we have no intention of trading the farm. Rosen, Darnold and Allen are all going in the top 10, Mayfield will most likely be the odd man out and may slide far enough that we would have to give up very little to move up 5-7 spots to get him. Or it could be Foles, Rudolph or some other free agent QB, but I stand by my thought that if we do draft a QB in RD1, my guess is Mayfield. I can't predict the future and I'm not pretending to have inside info.

I think it's Baker Mayfield. All signs point to him IMO.

Tyrod is better than given credit for. He was a better QB than Fitzpatrick was yet everyone loved Fitz, even though their styles were the opposite. Wish him the best in Cleveland, I will be rooting for the Browns this year. GO BILLS!!

+1 I'd like to see us move up and down, play the board a bit. I could see us packaging up 21, 65 and a 2019 pick to move up into the 10-15 range for a guy like Mayfield. If I had to guess, I think 3 QBs go in the top 10, Mayfield is the odd one out because of height and character concerns. Turn around and trade down from 22 and stockpile even more picks for 2018 and 2019. You would have an elite QB prospect along with 5 picks in the 2nd and 3rd. 1st - Baker Mayfield 2nd 2nd 2nd 3rd 3rd

49ers or Colts.

What if we select a QB at 21 and then trade down? We could be sitting on 3 2nds and 3 3rds, that would be enough to completely reshape our roster. Rudolph, Mayfield or Jackson at 21 and deal 22 for multiple picks.

I want Case Keenum and a trade up for Baker Mayfield, I think he is going to slide into the mid teens and we won't have to give up a whole lot to move up and get him.

I understand. No offense taken. Smart move either way, definitely not the same old Browns. Wonder what Landry gets.

Makes sense. They got the money to pay Landry, smart play would be Barkley at 1 and QB at 4.

The big knock on him coming out was he was too slow and couldn't get separation.

Donte man queef.