ghostwriter

That just means you, like the Panthers were right. I wanted Cam Newton desperately, but many many many Bills fans didn't even want him at 3, there were rumors that the Panthers were open to trading out of 1, ultimately they didn't get an offer they liked. Cam Newton was highly controversial coming out, whether you or I liked him doesn't matter, he was thought to be a runner that may never be a polished passer.

Fair enough. I think Shady is an asset at the same time though and wouldn't give him up for nothing, he needs to be in a RB committee though, I think it can extend his career, he's not the same back anymore but still very useful.

Cam Newton was a project too IIRC, people questioned if he could be a pocket QB or if he was just a gimmicky running QB. Many Bills fans didn't even want him at 3.

Well, it's a mixed bag, I guess!

People were calling Mahomes and Trubisky projects, those are the two most recent examples in recent memory. Now whether any of you thought the contrary, may boost your credit but it doesn't matter, I remember arguing with someone profusely over Mahomes "Texas Tech doesn't produce NFL quarterbacks" "Texas Tech never has QBs drafted in the first round!" "Texas Tech runs a gimmick offense with system QBs!" Oh, yes!!!!! The haters were very real, I remember it clearly. Some of the arguments made against Mahomes are being used against Allen.

You're my kind of guy, I never give my opinion up on another man's personal life unless he asks me for it. Poyer is a great football player, this other stuff is none of my business though.

That's a fair statement and I'm an Allen supporter, but that's absolutely a correct observation, he needs to do more.

Lesson? What lesson? If you pick #64, what kind of prospects will be available? 2nd round prospects or 3rd round prospects? Yes, a bunch of 3rd round prospects will be on the board. I thought you were supposed to be smart? Why are you making me spell it out to you? Can't you read between the lines?

It would be a 3rd in title only, there would be mostly 4th round prospects available there, not worth it.

I will word it in whatever way I please, I said 'like', not that it IS.

Ivory and Murphy run HARD.

Their 2nd will be like a 3rd.

Liked Anderson early on his career, much like Nick Foles I thought he'd be a starting QB but it never materialized for him. Good guy to have around, would like to see Peterman cut and just roll with Allen and Anderson.

Without hesitation. We can, if we're smart get a Robert Woods type receiver with a 2nd. Probably even pick up a stud center there too. Shady will likely be in a RB committee here very shortly, he still has some juice though but I'd move on for a 2nd.

Keep Shady unless a 2nd or more is offered.

And he can restructure and play in a committee and extend his career 3 years longer than that behind a dominant OL. Some may say "What's fair value?", in this case that's out the window, they called us, not the other way around. Shady is our best player on offense, if you want him, we want slightly more than market value.

You don't know that.

Then you keep him. Last I checked Philly came knocking on our door in the middle of night asking for a favor, they are in no position to low-ball us. A 2nd and we give them Shady plus a 5th or 6th.

For me, it's a 2nd or no dice. 3rd round picks have an extremely high chance of busting and Philly will likely rebound so a 3rd will be closer to a 4th.

I'd do it for a third, I think Shadys best football is done already, Murphy and Ivory run hard.

This is to be expected though, a Peewee coach would expect this. Sorry if Allen doesn't live up to your standards of perfection but he is 2-2, not bad. Watch Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield struggle too, it's going to be a down year for all of them not just Allen.

Yeah, just cut him! What can possibly go wrong?

Keyword buddy, in your opinion! Well said, my friend! There's probably 100,000 people on this board with 100,000 different opinions on how we should build the team!! LOL! Some more informed than others, only time I get pissed off at someone for their opinion is when they don't use facts to back it up! Especially around draft time, you'll see fans banging the board for multiple reasons: #1- His name sounds cool. #2- Sensationalized by the national media. #3- Played on such and such big school. They know who they are and it's super annoying!

I had a childish rant about McDermott a week ago and I have my doubts STILL, but I am in NO WAY clairvoyant, I can NOT see into the future. McDermott has a rookie QB, I give him 2 years with Allen and see how he develops young QBs. My "feelings" don't matter, facts and observations over a sizeable timetable MATTER. 2 more years, although I may know sooner if it's obvious.

They know defense, which is why I think offense should be picked first. Beane and McD can add solid defensive talent RDS 3-7, I'm sure of it.