Maine-iac

Well the issue is that he is not that so forcing or not forcing the issue is tstill hat he isn't taking what is there and he's killing drives. He holds the ball, he gets sacked, he fires it into coverage and he's turned the ball over more than any other QB in the league the last 3 years. Yes sometimes he makes insane plays but he has to be able to keep the offense on schedule and that isn't going to happen if your whole offense is built on scrambling and throwing 15 yards down field across your body.

Kincaid doesn't fumble it's entirely possible we win this game. We weren't that far off. Defense looked pretty good all things considerned. Offense never learns to just take what the defense is giving them.

After a quick look we had the same number of drives as the Bengals. Almost the same number of first downs. Similiar 3rd down efficiency. Big difference was time of possession and 2 turnovers. Kincaid doesn't fumble it's entirely possible that we win this game even with the offense again looking like it doesn't want to score for 2 quarters.

Most of this game had nothing to do with the WR's. The Bengals were sitting on everything down the field and the underneath stuff was there. When Josh was taking it we moved the ball easily. When Josh was holding the ball and trying to force it into that coverage we looked like crap. Josh in many cases refuses to take what's there. When he finally started taking what was there was when we finally were able to get a shot into the end zone. Allen is a prize fighter who hates to use a jab and it's biting us in the butt.

Or if they had just stopped them they could have had the ball back with a stop ...............

What do I know but I feel just the opposite. I think McD preaches conservative take what's there and that is what was working. Dorsey likes slinging it as does Josh and that was what the Bengals were playing as Josh held it llooking down field and throwing it into the stands and taking hits. I thing Josh trys to Mike Tyson his way through everything ........... he's all punch and no jab. It takes him whole games sometimes to figure out just take what they are giving you.

That defense could win us a game vs the Bengals. They weren't perfect but they made a few stops. There was hope. The offense needs to go back to the drawing board and learn to make it easier, take what's there, and then hit them when they try to take away the short stuff. Right now teams just sit on the 10 to 15 yard stuff and Josh sits back there and takes sacks or gets chased around.

Welcome to the club Miller ............. you are now Billsy.

Exaactly the opposite. Josh will not take the underneath stuff. For 3 quarters he moves off what they are giving him and kills drives throwing deep shots into coverage. Then after 3 quarters of stalled drives he takes what they are giving and we move the ball.

Sure wish we had that time out from the challenge ..............................

It only takes us 3 quarters to figure out how to play offense.

The Pats always found a way to get a tight end down the seem after a few short passes. Seems like now would be a good time to get Kincaid a 20 yarder down the middle.

Using a time out on this will probably bite us in the butt later.

They are not taking the short passes and the plays look like crap. They should just keep hitting Kincaid and Shakir and keep moving the ball.

Not sure play actions means a damn thing when you only run the ball twice a game.

It only took Allen 3 qtrs to start taking what the defense was giving him and then Kincaid fumbled. Just getting going again ......... plenty of time.

They looked right against the Bucs. Lots of quick passing taking the easy stuff. We come out this week and forgot everything we learned and right back to hold the ball and take 15 to 20 yard shots and horrible looking screen passes.

We can. Guys open all night. When Josh throws short we move the ball at will. When Josh holds the ball nothing but bad things happen. We had it working, Josh seemed to figure it out finally and then Kincaid fumbled.

We're getting Pharoh Brown'd again.

If nothing else our defense looks like it could play these guys. Offense is not ready. It wasn't ready against the Jaguars, Pats, Giants, or again tonight against the Bengals.

So Allen finally figures out just taking ................... never mind. Getting the ball out guys making catches and ............ fumble.

For the love of god ....................... just keep moving the ball and taking the short stuff. It's not working ........... just take what they are giving you.

If you hit Kincaid short enough (see Kelcey) they'll change up coverage but right now they are sitting on Davis and Diggs and everything past 8 to 10 yards. Just keep taking the short stuff.

Just keep taking the short stuff. 3rd and 1 should be easy.

It's been there all night. Last couple of drives Josh throws short we move the ball then he takes two shots and we come away with nothing or we do something that never works like a screen or a jet sweep There again ......... KIncaid and Shakiir have been open all night.