Maine-iac

The passing offense was fine with Roman especially when Watkins was healthy. Taylor threw 20 TD's in only 380 throws. The less Watkins played the less TD's were thrown. The less play makers you have as pass catchers the less plays are made. It really stands to reason. You want to know why Wilson wins football games take a look at his help. He's throwing to Baldwin and Graham and his defense has given up 17, 18, and 19 points the last 3 years while ours hasn't done better than giving up 22.

Goodwin was ALWAYS hurt. Prior to last year he didn't even play in 24 out of 48 games. Last year he played way more than he had in any other season and he got better while doing it. Goodwin still is what he is. He could never get off a jam so if you are a running team with 2TE and 2WR packages and an oline that can't keep anyone off the QB chances are he's not going to have time to get open. If you run a spread offense and move him around, keep him from getting jamed he is fast as hell and can catch the ball. Let's not kid ourselves though, Goodwin wouldn't be doing what he's doing in SF here. This offense, as it is being run, needs a healthy KB. A healthy Clay and a healthy McCoy.

In a league that loves to throw he's got good range and he seems to bring the hit stick with him. Like the saying goes, he always seems to be around the ball.

Shady just went over 1,000?

Still love Incognito!

SHADY ....................... woot woot.

Thompson is the best receiver we have had on this team this year.

The only thing better than 4 qtrs of crappy football is 5 qtrs of crappy football.

The more football I watch the more I'm convinced coaches make the players. Brady at his level it probably wouldn't matter which coordinator came in because he can basically call his own plays, but for most coaches make the player. Look at Ryan this year compared to last. Look at Denver's offense with Gase and then Dennison. Look at ours with Lynn/Roman now Dennison. There are a handful of coaches that make players better and we need one of those coaches. Draft a QB early in the draft, develop Peterman, keep Taylor, whatever they decide if they keep Dennison I am going to have low expectations.

I know it's not a choice but I'd like to nominate WR here. You want to throw quick slants? You want to back them out of the box? We have no one that scares anybody and worse when the QB's we do have, Peterman or Taylor, hit them they drop way too many passes. A better line would be great and I can't argue with a better QB but I really think an upgrade at WR would make a big difference. I mean a real game changer like Jones or Green or Hopkins.

This thread is the culmination of people not realizing that for the 1 problem Taylor has he fixes a handful of others. Taylor hangs on to the ball too long/doesn't throw it into tight windows. He is tentative on throwing into tight coverage and frequently hangs on to the ball too long. Completely legitimate gripe and I've even found myself yelling at the TV ............."get rid of the damn ball". That said McCown would be crucified behind this offensive line. Some games would be worse than others but many games would be ugly sack riddled nightmares. The timing and route running by our pass catchers is very very poor. The play calling is frequently very poor. Combine that with Taylor not wanting to throw picks and again you get holding the ball too long. Just throwing it anyways is rolling the dice. Peterman was a prime example of why you can't make a living throwing into coverage. McCown might be better at it. I doubt he's THAT much better at it. Combine our WR's, line, and Dennison and I highly doubt McCown is having a good year if he played here. McCown or Taylor you are not going to see much better production with street cast offs at WR and Dennison. Someone might argue Brady or Rogers could get better production with what we've got and I'd say sure, you are probably right. Let me know when we've got either one of them.

You're absolutely right. Not saying it wasn't a bad throw. I was just saying we might have kept it close or closer but with the second half kick off and a half to see our defense them pulling away was inevitable. I actually didn't even post in the game day threads because I didn't think we'd win this one and didn't want to be all pissed off and posting all day.

It pisses me off that Taylor doesn't get the ball out. Then Peterman comes in and let's it go and for a drive or so it looks like the answer but if you really watch after about 7 or 8 throws they start to watch his eyes and time his throws. Another half with Peterman and I would put money on two or three picks.

Peterman does blow. The only thing he does right is the one thing Taylor does worst but it doesn't make him remotely worth starting.

I totally see why people say Tyrod needs to let it go more. That said the way Peterman "lets it go" he would throw several picks a game no matter what. Peterman came out and the change of pace was good for about one drive before they had his timing down and he stares down his throws. It would only be a matter of time for the picks to come. Dennison did some nice things early on. Taylor was playing alright. The pick sucked. Bumped or not it was really disappointing. I don't think it changed the game. We have 0 talent at WR and against Belichick that will kill you.

Dennison did some nice things in the first half. I was surprised. Webb missed Cadet. Taylor got bumped and threw the pick and I can't even count how many passes got dropped. Dennison has been pretty bad but today was one of his better games. We just have really bad pass catchers. Thompson and Clay are seemingly the only ones who should even be on the field.

The Taylor pick didn't change anything. It would have been 23 - 10 is the only difference there would have been. Dennison was calling an awesome game early on. The WR's on this team are garbage. Forget getting open, which they are mediocre at doing, they can't catch the damn ball when they do get open. Every one lauds Brady but people forget the Pats only gave up 16ppg last year and they haven't given up more than 17 points in 2 months. We either need Taylor to learn a little bit of Peterman's just letting it rip or we need Peterman to stop throwing it so quickly EVERY time. Teams key in on Peterman starring down the throw and getting it out at the same time every throw. Definately some really good things about getting it out. Again though, our WR's suck.

You've run out of chances for Tyrod ................... I mean you've been defending him for so long ........... must be exhausted.

I can't even walk out on that ledge. I don't trust them not to choke. The recipe is play good defense, run the ball, find a couple scores. I don't trust them.

Were they playing basketball 1 vs 1? I saw the Saints run for 300 yards and 6 TD's. Kind of not the point of the whole thing though. I was pointing out that if you want to pick things apart play by play not every throw is a TD. Even good QB's will have a number of throws that aren't perfect.

The crazy thing is if you take out the Jets, Saints, and Chargers this is exactly how we were winning. We were playing great defense and then scratch and claw out 20 to 25 points. Then the lights went out and the defense went home for 3 games. Don't know what changed exactly from one week to the next but it's a welcome addition having them back.

When I think about posting a reply to you I think ...........

I'm sure you can tell me a lot about that ..............

Brees threw it short on the last drive .......... boy he sucks. Almost got picked on a sure TD ......... Brees is soo bad. Seriously ........ taking one play and making it your case is lame. It wasn't any bigger or more to do with the outcome of the game than the hold bringing back a 1st down run before it or the crappy 3 and 2 call directly after it.

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