Maine-iac

I think our WR "issue" will somewhat fall in Daboll's hands as much as the QB, RB, and OL issues do. A year ago everyone was saying our defense will be awful with the players we had and I said if McDermott is as advertised it will be much improved with or without a ton of talent. I don't have that same faith in Daboll to turn around the offense and that is why I didn't like the hire. That said if he is good, and ultimately was worth hiring, he will be able to get WR's open even without elite talent. Dennison left me scratching my head a number of times and ran a game plan that put WR's in a spot where the only real option was to physically get separation. Watch McDaniel's offense and you'll see guys running open by a mile who are no where near speedsters.

Nothing has changed. I liked him when he was here and I like him in Cleveland. You are allowed to not like him as much as I'm allowed to like him. I liked Fred and Stevie and continued to like them when they left. So the difference here really is that you don't like him therefore you don't like me posting about it. It is in a thread that I didn't create and is titled about him. I'm not creating threads saying we are doomed because we let Tyrod go. I actually think our QB situation has a lot of potential with both McCarron and Allen. Every other part of the offense, aside from McCoy, is a nightmare and I'm not sold on the OC choice and I don't feel like waiting 3 seasons find out if we gambled and won/lost. I am sick of not being competitive and trust the process doesn't cut it for me.

Point A you are right, I missed that. Point B I have suggestions where you can go play but I'll do what you should have and keep them to myself.

You are right Mayfield should definately end up starting at some point. I just haven't seen anything saying it in black and white yet. It would be funny if Taylor gets traded to Denver. Everyone rumored him going there at one point. I just wish things weren't so bleak, Allen excluded obviously he's got huge potential, on the offensive side. Coaching is an unknown, OL is pretty unsettled, and our pass catchers are way below par. Actually the QB position on offense might be the least upsetting going into next season. I like Allen and McCarron. You didn't ask why, as in the reason, you asked why the event was going to happen period. As in it will happen and you know it.

If Tyrod has “success”, why is Mayfield going to take the reigns this season? If you ask why Mayfield will become starter you are saying Taylor will not be the starter. If you know this then show the source or is it just your opinion? Like I said it could happen but you don't know that.

It could happen but since you seem positive show me your source saying Tyrod isn't the starter as of right now. Every source I've seen says Taylor is the starter.

There are stats, I'm not dragging it all up again, but yes statisticaly Taylor was good at producing first downs especially given the down and distances he faced. We've moved on but I think all the moves on offense making the statement that we are better is at best an opinion and a hope. I am, with Taylor or without, a believer in build the defense first and run the football. I think adding Allen to when we had Orton and had just drafted Watkins would have been great (if we had kept our coaching staff). Having completely ripped the offense apart the notion of putting it back together seems too far away. I'm not lobbing the notion that I'm a crappy fan on myself for feeling annoyed at waiting possibly years to see the playoffs again. I hope they nailed it and everything works but I don't feel bad about being skeptical.

What makes this different than all the other "rebuildings"? Someone answer that question. Is hope all we've got? Am I wrong because I don't "trust" the process anymore. The Jaguars made the playoffs last year with good defense and Bortles. They continue to try to find better pass catchers and make the defense better. Who do you think will have more success over the next 3 to 5 seasons? That isn't a statement of me saying the Jaquars will but an honest question. We are playing the long game, really long.

No and neither do you. Statistically he faced worse down and distance than most QB's and still produced. That is a fact. I'm not arguing about this all day. It's water under the bridge. I'm also not drinking the kool aid. We brought a new guy in who's been labeled by pro scouts a big armed project and he's being teamed up with a decimated OL and an OC with a less than stellar track record. It's not hard to imagine things going bad.

Nobody wins based on yardage and that is the cry of the move on from Tyrod crowd. Hey you won. Now we just need results. We obviously did this to score points so when Allen puts up 24 plus ppg two seasons in a row I'll call the whole thing a success. That seems fair enough. I've even hoping he does. I'm just being honest saying that there is a huge risk involved. I think that is also fair.

Remember when Taylor had Watkins and Woods, both on the field, and made the probowl in 14 games? Now watch with Landry and Gordon and promise me we will get better QB production in either of the next two seasons.

Someone tell me how this "process" is different than Marrone with Schwartz/Pettine and Hackett in 2014/15? Is Daboll better than Hackett? We certainly don't have anywhere near the talent. How long until the "rebuild" starts yielding results. Bring in a different QB? I was on board with that. That said I we had 7 picks in the first 3 rounds and ended up with 3 players one of them being a QB who by all accounts needs work with accuracy and reading defenses. I stopped drinking the kool aid on coaches with "processes" a long time ago. A good coach comes in and changes the offense/defense from playing bad to playing well. You stop the other team from scoring and you yourself score more. You acquire more talent to do so. This idea that one player is the absolute beginning and end of it all is absurd. I will certainly hope for Allen's success because at this point the alternative is another 2/3 years in the crapper and most likely another regime change.

Tell me again which coaches we have that have done great things with QB's and passing games.

Jay Cutler?

We'd be smart to take that trade.

Who's developing Allen? Daboll with his TE skills and 17ppg OC history or McDermott who's a DC by trade? I don't even hate the Allen pick so much as I don't think we have the OL, WR's, or coaching staff to develop anyone. If we had any real offensive minds we would have been able to score with the players we had last year like Lynn and Roman were able to do.

Somebody remind me again if Brady is strong armed or accurate? At least he is a big guy. With no OL left he'll take a pounding.

Per Bill Barnwell The Bills take the biggest risk from this quarterback class in Josh Allen, whose statistical profile draws similarities to the likes of Jake Locker and JaMarcus Russell. So the ceiling is Jay Cutler 2.0?

We were doing everything right and then the Jets made the trade to cut in front of us and we have been falling on our faces ever since. They're now debating if improving accuracy is viable. Best case scenario we just drafted Cutler 2.0.

nobody iimproves dramatically through the draft process ......... Kiper is a D-bag.

son of a B word

Hopefully we still have 22!

this better be Rosen!!!!

I love how we talk about the huge need for a "franchise" QB but then think we can trade the 12th pick in the draft plus multiple other picks and then sit on our thumbs for years for them to be ready. Either this is old school play defense and sound offense bring the QB along over several seasons or this is the trade everything for a "franchise" QB, all in, the only way NFL that most of this board thinks it is. No way we are trading Cordy Glen, Dareous (essentially), plus the 12th pick in the draft to take a QB and then have a career backup start. If he's that good of a QB he'll be able to play week 1 with my only exception being if the OC is again incapable of dialing up a game plan that can keep the other team from eating us alive.