Maine-iac

The Broncos were number 1 in EPA and we hung 30 on them and Cook ran all over them. Remove the one awful Bengals game and the offense is averaging 26 points in our playoff losses and we're losing by less than a TD even though the defense is giving up over 30 in those games. It's your opinion and your entitled to it but I'll stand by my opinion that the offense is capable of keeping us in any game. Maybe I'm getting bad info but I thought the Ravens were 8th overall and 2 spots better than the Eagles vs the run.

Eagles run defense wasn't better than the Chiefs. Eagles, Chiefs, and Ravens all would have given us similar problems. Enough defense to make it hard to break it open and a run game that would keep our pass rush in check leaving our secondary that couldn't cover. We had enough offense and just enough defense to beat Lamar. We had almost enough offense and not enough defense in a winnable game vs the Mahommes. If I had to guess we would have been in another close game where we would need to pull something out to win if we had ended up playing the Eagles. I certainly think the offense is ready to win a championship. The defense has to find some playoff swagger somewhere. Even the years with pretty decent talent when the game is on the line we don't make the stops we need in the playoffs. They certainly are trying to infuse the defense with difference makers so I can't say they're not trying.

Not sure about Mt Rushmore but Easley was a pretty good ST player in his time here.

This sums it up well. I might add that in my opinion Lawrence has been more manic in that his best season was better than any of Murray's and his worst season is worse than Murray's but overall I can't think of anyone year in and year out who is better at losing in November and December than Murray. Murry is 12 and 25 in November and December. If there's a chance the Cards make the playoffs they blow it down the stretch almost every year.

Haven't read every page but if Kyler Murray hasn't been discussed for this award he should be in the running. In contrast Baker took Cleveland to the playoffs and won and that alone should mean something. Lost to the Chiefs. Later beat the Eagles in the playoffs with a different team. Baker has been to the playoffs and won a few. Not saying he's the greatest but he certainly isn't the worst.

Hopefully they are all playoff games!

Anyone remember Tommy Sweeney? Flying home from the Bills vs Miami game on Halloween (2021?) I was seated next to his mother. Actually one of his better games. His mom was pumped. Lots of BC stories and parent stories about him and his sister who I think was a swimmer or something like that. When his father stood up and helped my wife get her over head bag down I could see where they were related. Good people. Kinda rooted for Sweeney while he was in Buffalo just because his parents were nice.

Since this thread is called what it's called I beg to question what is a low drop rate for an X WR in this offense? We essentially throw to the slot, TE, and RB as opposed to the Davis and Diggs days we pretty much only throw outside on a few WR screens and if teams switch to single high or cover zero. In those cases we are generally throwing jump balls, back shoulders, or contested catches in general. Realistically what is a high drop rate for someone who is seeing mostly those type of throws? He only had 4 drops last year with an ADOT of over 15 yards and Allen only threw 2 picks trying to get him the ball. Allen threw 6 picks in back to back seasons trying to get Davis the ball. I still think (hope) that Coleman can have Gabe plus production with better hands and more ability to work shorter because he's more nimble than Davis was. Anyone who thinks you are going to get high catch or yardage totals like Diggs put up out of Coleman is going to be upset. Guess that is telling because many people already seem to be upset. In this offense Coleman is most likely the 3rd or 4th read before seeing the defense they're lined up against.

What a pass rush .............. Star and Boogie FTW.

Angelo Crowell ......... pretty damn good LB. I think he had a knee injury and only played 4 years.

What source are you using? Pro Football Reference says Knox's drop % was 3 last year and Kincaid's was 8. Their career yards after catch averages are exactly the same and Knox has a greater ADOT. Rating when targeted is 102 for Knox and 92 for Kincaid. I think Kincaid is going to be fine. Hopefully a good TE for years to come but I feel about the same using a first round pick on him as I do paying Knox the contract we did.

His stats read almost WR like. He has a generally higher ADOT than you'd expect from a TE with a lower success rate or catch percentage and his rating isn't great when targeted but like I said his yards per catch has been pretty high for a tight end. Seems like he's generally a big WR but to his credit his draft profile says he's a willing blocker so there's that.

Didn't he have a pretty significant knee injury after his huge rookie season? Now I've got to go look that up .........

Imagine if Bernard lost to Bernard.

Coming in late to this thread, probably already been posted 100 times but I can't believe Dodson is on this list ahead of anyone. He was a hot pile of garbage in Seattle and then with the Dolphins he made 3 starts and they lost 2 out of the 3 games and gave up 30 points in those losses. His first start in Miami he gave up 100 percent completion percentage in coverage and missed 4 tackles and it looks like they gave him 6 snaps on defense in the next 3 games after that. In his time here he had worked his way up to a point where he wasn't a complete liability but he certainly was't top of any list material. On the same note Milano has a decent body of work where he has been great but working his way back he wasn't great and he did work his way back to where he wasn't a liability but he's not the same player he was. In typical PFF fashion the entire list is fairly questionable. The got Warner right and then probably should have just quit after that.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around Aiyuk coming in at 19. Aiyuk was hot garbage before he got hurt. Maybe he'll be back to his previous self after coming back from a big injury.

The single biggest difference is that Nacua isn't playing an X WR role. For the most part he's facing a different set of defenders than an X WR would face and in general he's catching much shorter throws as evidenced by the fact that Coleman averaged 7 more yards than him in ADOT. Nacua isn't the decoy he's the guy benefiting from it. Coleman still averaged more YAC than Nacua. There's plenty of reasons to be encouraged by Coleman but given the position we have him playing and how we use that position he's probably not going to see 120 targets and his catch rate even with a good year will probably be 55 to 60 percent. If he learns a few Gabe Davis routes and Brady finds some use for his YAC ability and mixes him in a little more it's not out of the question he could have 800 or 900 yards and 6 plus TD's next year. Given our running game and Shakir and Kincaid taking over the higher volume stuff that would be decent production from the guy who's probably your 3rd or 4th option.

Actually Mike Gillislee who followed him up had a couple of really good seasons playing behind Shady.

Reminds me we had Kevin Johnson here for a year. Former first round pick. I don't remember him much. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

Chris Spielman had one good season here.

At 6'1" and 200 pounds all of his measurables, if they are right, are pretty damn good. A sub 4.5 forty, a 1.55 ten yard split, a 39.5 vertical, and a 6.88 3 cone will get you some looks. It's probably the reason he's still kicking around the league. I honestly had no idea who he was but he can run and jump pretty damn well.

Certainly not saying he is wrong. Just that anyone would make a judgement based off 1 season. Smith may well be right but I think even Smith would admit you can't write the whole book based off 1 season. Smith used downfield statistics that painted a bad picture but failed to say that the throws have as much to do with production as the pass catcher. He did mention 10 to 19 yard throw production but said little about it even though Coleman did very well in that category. Overall I think there's nothing "wrong" with Smith's critique but question both the expectations of people and Smith and in Smith's case it's funny to hear him semi call someone out after 1 season given his own rookie season. I don't (and never did) expect Coleman to be a 100 catch or 1,500 yard guy. I don't think that's what he was drafted to do. I don't think that's what our front office or coaching staff was looking for. He will however be criticized because he's not that.

Funny they use a Steve Smith video ........... I'm trying to remember Smith's rookie season ..... LOL.

To Coleman's credit if you look at his under center or play action receiving numbers they really pop. Catching close to 70 percent of his passes. He also has great numbers on 1st and 2nd down. Averaging 27 yards per reception on 1st downs and almost 16 on second. Shotgun and 3rd down are not his thing. My 2 second analysis would be if the defense thinks we might run the ball he is far more effective than known passing downs. They need to work in more of the higher percentage stuff (slants and screens) which he can do, to go along with the big boy, jump ball stuff they force to him. I also think a lot of the end zone jump balls they throw to him are pretty badly thrown and there's a lot of room for improvement in getting him the ball. Is he going to break out and be some kind of star even in perfect conditions? I'm not going to try and sell that but everyone seems to love Pickens and he had 900 yards and 3 TD's last year. I think Coleman can do something in that realm. Could we use a speed guy to change things up. Absolutely I'd agree with that but who are you signing, who are you sitting, and which plays would they be on the field? I'm guessing the "speed" guy wouldn't be on the field that often.

I can't argue with that. Honestly when Mooney was available a season ago he was one of the guys I would have loved to see us sign. With the focus on running the ball and the amount of shell coverage we face I suspect the team just doesn't focus on trying to run guys past the defense because it's probably rarely going to happen.