Rock-A-Bye Beasley

This is so wrong. First of all this Zero net cap effect thing you keep saying. If The Bills don't trade for Coleman there's zero net cap effect. Once we trade for him we have his salary on the books, and once released yes his salary is gone but we incur the cap penalty. So would we have 3mil in cap penalty if we hadn't traded for him? Same goes for all the others we signed then released, but those aren't even the main issue. My real problem is with Darues, Glen, Watkins, and Ragland. First of all 3 of those guys were on rookie deals. Ragland had never touched the field so we basically traded a 2nd round pick for a future 4th. As for the rest, you're saying how much money we save in the future, and while that's true the counter argument is that we could still afford them even if they are overpaid. They are talented young players and we have a QB on a rookie deal. You say we are in great shape cap wise, but there's no way (hopefully) we can spend 90million on whatever free agents are left over after NYJ and other teams get the pick of the litter. We could absolutely afford Dareus instead of Star and Watkins even on a franchise tag over whatever aging WR decides to come here in the offseason. But that's their choice the wanted their own players. This cap situation is completely their choice. Hopefully it works out, but to say they had no choice because of the situation Whaley left them in is dishonest.

Did you give Whaley credit for the trade down and White pick before Mahomes started breaking records? Or was that McDermott's genius defensive mind? Be honest

These homers were giving McDermott credit for trading down and getting white until Mahomes started lighting up the scoreboard and setting records.

I'm with you up until the last 2 sentences. I was on board for a rebuild and still am, but the complete incompetence on the offensive side is making me think there's no chance it will be successful, and even if Josh has potential it will be squandered by this coach. It's just TOO bad. even the Browns the last two years only had one game under 100 yards passing. This regime has had FIVE in the last 13 games.

You said the vast majority of rookie QBs struggle. Then point out a couple that ended up being good while conveniently leaving out all the others which are WAY more common. It’s a respectable opinion for any Bills fan to have questions about whether a prospect with Allen’s history can develop. Especially when you see this team pass for under 100 yards 5 times in the last 13 games. There has to be at least some blame or at least questions about whether this coaching staff can develop a QB. Im not impatient. I knew they would be bad this year. But it is never acceptable for any offense to be this bad. I don’t care what your excuses are.

Playoffs?

Why do I get the feeling it's the same people who thought this team would win 9-10 games before the season that are now saying have patience? What about other teams that were bad at offense but now are still bad at offense? You can't just pick a good team then go back and point out a time they were bad to prove that the Bills will be good.

Tank for new coach

I'd be with you if they were just bad. They are historically and laughably embarrassingly bad. That's why for me anyway. He also makes a lot of dumb game-time decisions.

I'm out too, but to be fair there was more to that quote where he said the league is a passing league now, but they aren't there yet (paraphrasing)

You said you will defer the confidence question, that is giving a pass to this coach/GM for this offense. I think it's a fireable offense. You are saying let's wait and see.

I don't care how much you're planning for the future. Even if you're openly tanking (and the only reason to do that would be for a generation QB prospect) your offense cannot ever be this bad, even if this was the 70s. This offense is unacceptable stop trying to spin it.

Is this sarcasm? If so, should we stick with the wrong coach for 4 years even though he doesn't know how to run or build an offense? how about an historically bad and embarrassing offense on the field?

I'm 80% sure they will one day be thought of as the worst in Bills history.

Even if the astros had to replace/rebuild the entire team that’s only 9-12 players. The bills are more than that away from contending right now including the most important position qb. How many years did it take Houston?

They get blown out far too often. And now another one against a bad team. NYJ being the other.

you are just changing the subject even though you might not realize it

Anyone still defending this regime is a loser. What do you put up with in your personal life if you're ok with how this is going?

Don't need to

and you keep defending them for some reason I can't understand. You can't just say it's supposed to be bad, that's not good enough. No rage here, I'm happy today because this is one step closer to the end of McDermott who I was done with after he punted in OT of the last IND game.

great counter-argument. Remember the last time the Bills played the Colts? McDermott punted on 4th and short in IND territory late in overtime and ended up winning despite the fact that IND could have ran the clock out causing a tie and virtually eliminating them from the precious playoffs where they got to kick a fg? That's when I was done with McDermott. Maybe a few more people will be after they are blown out by a team other than LAx2, NO, BAL, GB, NYJ. Because this Colts team is bad and now they don't have the snow to slow them down to our historically pathetic level.

last year should have been that year. And for me it's not that they are bad, it's how bad they are. Historically bad on offense and starting Peterman gives me no hope or confidence in this coach or gm.

I can't believe some people on here are defending Peterman and McDermott/Beane's decision to start him. Even if you use the "hindsight" excuse (which is completely wrong) I just can't respect your opinion. I don't think it's possible to play any worse than Nathan Peterman has played.

At what point would you admit we should have picked Mahomes? I'm seriously asking. I feel like people push off the judgment down the line until they can say "Stop living in the past!"

There's nothing wrong with it. Ask yourself this question. Would there be a thread like this with this many likes if he had looked good so far? I doubt it. This thread and it's praise are not only unnecessary, but borne out of fear that he will not progress. He may or he may not, but so far he has everything stacked against him.