Rock-A-Bye Beasley

What did Sammy have in his first two years? And who was throwing to him? Just curious

Over 2,000 yards in first 2 seasons with Orton, EJ, and Tyrod throwing to him. Still better than any receiver we’ve had since

What?

The star signing is atrocious

How did that work out? We got a WR (a position everyone here keeps pointing out doesn’t usually translate to immediate NFL success) who put up 2,000 yards and 15tds in his first two seasons with Kyle Orton, EJ Manuel and Tyrod Taylor throwing to him.

Maybe because the last 3 comments are “this is dumb!” 10 pages of people trying to have an intelligent conversation about player/draft pick value and player development. Surrounded by “this is dumb!” Posts to bump the thread.

Already wondering what the excuses will be for when Metcalf is dominating. I get the feeling the word hindsight will be used a lot. “Elite WR don’t win Super Bowls anyway” ”he wouldn’t have done well in OUR offense” ”the Impact of the DT we drafted doesn’t show up on the stat sheet” The only legit reason not to draft him is if the injury is lingering and serious, but I’ll leave that to the doctors.

We signed John Brown and cole Beasley

I heard an audo clip today of Terry saying the best teams in both leagues have one thing in common. Consistency of management team. I really hope he doesn’t think continuity leads to success and not the other way around. Correlation does not equal causation.

Only correct answer. Was anyone afraid of the skill players on Buffalo, Baltimore or Dallas last season? Nope, but we got the best them! i want 2 #1 WRs. The lines can be filled in with mid-late round picks and free agents. Dangerous wide receivers are very hard to get. Edit: elite pass rusher is a close second but Hughes is underrated

There would have been no risk of that is what I'm saying. They have more than enough space for the next two years. No one to re-sign in that time either. Look it up, and look at AB's contract. It would have ended right when we need to start re-signing Tre White and a year before Allen/Edmunds contracts are up. 3rd year carries only 300k dead cap if cut, or 17mil if he's still good at that age. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/antonio-brown-6702/ Give it a rest

No you don’t. You lose nothing. The buffalo bills “lose” 17 mil in cap space they wouldn’t have used anyway.

I know. But It’s all over the first two years. We have plenty of cap space those two years so there would have been no risk.

It never got to that point he scoffed at the idea. The Bills GM wanted him here and I’m glad. Almost got one of the top players at the biggest need position. Guess you’ll have to be mad a Beane now for trying.

I know that’s my point. Beane would have gladly given him that contract. It’s great for both sides.

There’s literally no risk signing him to the contract the raiders gave him.

What are you trying to say? His new deal is only 2 years guaranteed so after next year he can be cut with only 300k dead cap. You think that was the deal breaker for Beane with all the cap space we have this year and next?

Why would they be willing to trade for him but not pay him? They have plenty of cap space it’s only 3 years and the last year isn’t even guaranteed. Don’t be dense. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/antonio-brown-6702/

Take the best available offensive player. (will be the best non-QB offensive prospect?) Then get who's left of the elite defensive players or TE in round 2 or trade up to late rd 1.

Patriots have the best QB and best coach of all time. They’re an anomaly. Atlanta and Julio lost in OT in Super Bowl to them. Watkins had what would have been the game winning catch at the 1 yard line if Dee Ford hadn’t gone Offside in AFC championship. He’s better than any of our WRs. You’re telling me the Pats wouldn’t rather have any of those WRs? They tried to upgrade with Gordon last year. They smashed records with moss. You’re basically saying elite wide receivers don’t make your offense better. It’s an insane argument.

This is news to me. I was going by other posters who said all DTs last year played around 40%, my mistake. Although those posters were trying to make the case FOR drafting a DT at 9.

Oliver was rated worse at pass rushing than Tillery on both 0 tech and 3 tech snaps. Star has the worst non-QB contract in the league. We can’t really even cut him for two more years after this. That’s why he’s going to get snaps. He’s the highest paid player on the team. McDermott runs a rotation Dline and all DTs last year got 40% of snaps or so I’ve heard from other posters here. Harrison Phillips is Kyle Williams replacement. Everyone loved the pick now they’re ready to draft a DT at 9 one year later?

This is just a difference of opinion. Right now we have zero elite WR. I would prefer we have 3. Was KC ok with having Tyreek? No they shelled out big money for Sammy. Aside from what you think of him/his contract they weren’t satisfied with an all-pro WR and TE as their weapons. As for DT, you can absolutely get a 3 tech from a non top 10 pick, free agency (Richardson 1 year 9mil), or trade (Dareus). Gerald McCoy is still out there as a trade possibility and Jerry Tillery graded out better as a pass rusher than Oliver. Even if we add a “starter” at DT odds are he won’t be playing more than 60% of snaps. McDermott runs a rotation on the D line. I’ve seen many poster cite a stat where all DT from last year played around 40% of snaps.

a 4th DT to get 40% of snaps is a good use of a top 10 pick? What about our highest paid player (Star)? Or our 3rd round pick from a season ago that everyone said was Kyle's replacement? Or a 2nd rounder we picked up during the season form a division rival who only left for personal reasons? We had the worst WRs in the league last year. We signed a 30 and 29 year old with a combined one 1,000 yard season. That position will be improved but I'd be shocked if they're better than average as it stands. I'm excited about Foster's potential, but let's not assume he's a sure fire starter after a few good games.

Yes I would like the better/elite player and a better chance at hitting on that. (WR is also our biggest need) This is the second thread this month trying to show why we don't need an elite WR. Both times the OP has used an experiment set up to prove their point. While I genuinely appreciate the effort, neither has swayed my opinion that an elite WR would help this offense, and Allen's development, more than anything else.