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Are you sure those are the numbers for Bills Connor McGovern? There are two Connor McGoverns, one who played for Cowboys->Bills, the other played for Broncos->Jets. PFF lists just one Connor McGovern at center. The Jets player. They list the Bills Connor McGovern at guard.

As a long time PSU fan, I watched all of Bates and McGoverns games, and have watched Bates games with the Bills. In contrast to what’s been stated in this thread, Bates played guard his first couple years at PSU, and was excellent. They kicked him out to RT and then LT because they had no tackles. It was clear to many observers that Bates was a better guard than tackle. His feet and. Athleticism are good, but arms are too short. McG played guard and center at PSU. Back then, he was better in pass pro than run blocking. Of course, PSU was running this goofy zone read and RPO offense at the time where the strategy seemed to be to allow the DT to blow up the mesh points. My thinking is that Bills signed McG and Bates to be starting guards. But when Torrence became available, they modified that plan. Depending on how quickly Torrence develops, I see Bates at LG and Torrence at RG, with McG being first IOL backup. I think Bates is a better overall guard than McG, and that Bates is better at LG than RG. Not really sure why. Maybe having Dawkins next to him helps. Finally, it wouldn’t surprise me if Bills 5 yr plan is Bates, McG, Torrence from left to right. Finally, given the rate at which OL are injured, Bills would be nuts to trade away either of these 2 guys.

I dont know. I certainly thought Bills were the best team up until the reg season cincy game. They were 12-3, 3 losses by total of 8 points, 2 in games they easily should have won. they had beaten the cream of the AFC (KC and Tenn). They had the best point differential in the AFC. But then came Cincy game. Even before Hamlin went out, Bills D was being pushed around. And post -game, Bills collective heads werent in the game. Yeah, they won a couple more, but they were sleep-walking. Today, by all the pundits scoring, Bills are a top 4 team. Bills, KC, Eagles, Cincy. Personally, I like this team better. DL is improved (provided Miller returns to form). Secondary vastly improved (from the mid year no Tre no Hyde version). Offense is much improved on paper. Better RBs. Better flex TE. Better OL. Spencer Brown with a full off-season to improve. And yes, there are a bunch of ifs above. And until Bills prove otherwise, they dont belong on the field with Cincy. But I'm pretty optimistic.

I sorta doubt that there is only one mathematical solution to the NFL scheduling algorithm. So here’s a novel idea. If your algorithm leads to one team playing another on the road 3 out of 3 years, maybe you ought to think about modifying your algorithm.

Third year in a row we play KC at KC. What’s up with that?

Shorter came to PSU as a 5star, #1 WR recruit. Was injured, then disappointing when he played. Stiff, didn’t separate, dropped balls. I heard he was better at Florida, but didn’t see much of him when I watched them play. He’s still tall, so there’s that.

Thanks, you’re right. I’ll take a lap now…

I’m confused. Your source is stating that Addison “was the only WR they had a first round grade on “, yet Beane directly stated they didn’t have a 1st round grade on any of the 4 WR taken before Bills picked. For the record, I think Kincaid was a better pick thanAddison.

Excellent review Gunner. I think your work is better than some of the people who do this for a living (McShay and Graham for 2). I agree that a safety like Hamilton could take Kincaid one on one. For most plays. But not every play. Also, that’s taking a #14 to neutralize a #25 pick. So you can look at it as Kincaid neutralizing Hamilton.

Ahh… Daniel Jeremiah, who is the best draft guy on TV, had him as 9th best prospect. you gotta stop watching ESPN.

I’m saying Baltimore going jpj.

Shoot. Would have loved to move up for JSN.

Read through the thread. It’s pretty clear. The very first thing he writes (that JSN is off the board due to lack of production) is blatantly wrong. So that calls into question everything that follows. Look at it this way. If you were reading a history of WWII, and the first sentence is “the US entered WWII after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor”, would you believe anything that followed?

But that’s not what you wrote. Here is what you wrote. “WR Fit: Jordan Addison Excludes: JSN (production), Zay Flowers (age), Quentin Johnston (production), Hyatt (production)” I don’t know. When posters write stuff that’s obviously wrong, and then lie about it, that makes me think said poster’s opinions are useless.

Are you seriously excluding the best WR in the draft due to “lack of production”? I would hope that you realize this glaring error indicates that you’re clueless, thus rendering your entire post worthless.

Call me crazy, but I think Darnell Washington and Cole Beasley have different skill sets.

Gunner, really appreciate your work. But… While I agree that it’s unlikely Bernard will hit as a good player, I think Shakir, and Benford..especially Benford…could end up as multi-year starters. Which in my opinion, is hitting big for 5-6 round guys.

The idea of Kelly being a loser since he was on the losing end of 4 SB is silly. If Bills kicker had made a 47 yd field goal we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

A good list, but I don’t think Robinson, JSN or Johnson will be available. I don’t like Addison or Flowers since they duplicate players we already have. I don’t know much about Johnston, but hear that he’s a bit raw. We want someone to contribute next year. That’s why I’m leaning to Campbell. I thin that he’ll be available, he’s athletiic, and was very productive in college.

I basically agree with what you say about players not making significant moves up and down teams draft boards. But we (fans) typically know very little about any teams true draft boards. And they may differ significantly. Most of what we know about teams draft boards is a synthesis of information (and misinformation) that’s been leaked to guys with good contacts , such as Mel Kiper. Thus, invariably, we will see a guy with “consensus” 3rd round grade picked in the 1st round. While another 1st round guy will drift into the 3rd round. TLDR. I agree that players don’t make big moves up or down draft boards. But each teams board is different, and we don’t know their boards.

Zero chance. yet that is precisely what the Bills did 4 yrs ago.

This is silly. I haven’t seen anything close to this strategy used since Eli Manning and John Elway, both >20 yrs ago. since that time, there have been 640 1st round picks made, by >100 different GMs. And not one has used this strategy. Not one. Because it’s effin stoopid!

Are you 12? How many adults use the term “tard” these days to refer to individuals who are developmentally delayed or challenged? Do you have any family members or friends who have kids with Down syndrome for example? SMH

I’ve got a few thought on Scruggs. He’s an above average athlete compared to other centers at the combine. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/juice-scruggs/32005343-5267-3400-4cb9-0ed0b61b2e6f The analysts dinged his production , but I think unfairly. He suffered a serious back injury in an MVA which kept him out of football for 2 years. He’s now recovered and basically started every game the past two years, at guard then center. He hasn’t been surrounded by stellar talent at psu at IOL, nor at QB, which can make his performance seem worse than it is. Base in their performance at PSU, I thought he was better than McGovern, and almost as good as Bates. I think he will be a 5-7 rnd pick, but stick a long time in the nfl.

Bills need to give spencer brown at leas 2 more years to see if he can be successful at RT. He’s young, has elite athleti traits (RAS>9), and just the right amt of mean attitude. but he doesn’t have experience. Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book about exceptional athletes, writers, artists, craftsman. He concluded that you needed to spend 10,000 hours at a vocation before you’re truly elite. True for shooting free throw, playing Mozart, or a journey cover band. Brown didn’t play OL in high school, only 2 years in college, now starting year 3 with Bills. Let’s say he practices tackle movements 2 hr per day n college and 4 hour per day in nfl. So that’s 1440 college hrs. The back injur really set him back, so hee only got about 4 hr x 400d in nfl or 1600. So his total is now 3440 hrs, give or take a few. If he works out full time for next 2 years—700 d x 4 hr, he will be at 6200 total hour, within spitting range of 10000