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Kiser is too slow imo. Love Tegray Scales for Indiana, just as productive. I think they have too many other needs to address corner again in the first round. DT should be picked high, love Harrison Phillips for Stanford, Hurst from Michigan and a few other guys. I expect them to take a 2nd round or late first round offensive lineman and another some point in the draft. I think they may go after a faster wide receiver since they have Benjamin now. Or we may see Clay leave and they look to replace him with a guy like Mark Andrews from Oaklahoma? Who knows but another weapon will help whoever is playing QB next season. I love Nelson but I'm afraid he will be picked higher than us. But honestly other than safety, they can go pretty much anywhere. They need more talent across the board.
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3 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:
The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game. The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.
No I had this pegged as need as soon as McDermott walked in the building. Carolina drafted Lotulelei, Short and last year Butler in the first round, all of them are DTs that were for McDermott's system. The players we have are either aging or don't really fit the scheme well. And forget run defense for a second, what about the lack of pass rush from the interior of that line this year? There's a lot of factors that come into play and the majority point to a new set of DTs. That's what this regime has a history of.
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12 hours ago, RussBrandon said:
The reporters covering the Bills won't say it because they still have to have access to the players, but the Bills' defense has quit. Period. The Saints game was characterized by tackling that would get guys benched on a high school team. Sure Marcel Dareus is gone, but you ARE allowed to replace him with another player. It seems that there was nobody home on the D line all day.
The missed tackles happened in the secondary. Before that the Bills consistently failed to make contact with the runner at the line of scrimmage.
The drive that ended in the Brees touchdown was the single most amazing drive I have ever seen in many years of watching football. They were ripping off 10 yards on every play when the Bills knew what was coming.
I've been thinking of replacing my Stadium Wall pic because the dumpster fire seemed to have gone away with Rex and Whaley but I'm going to leave it for now.
And I'm bracing myself for all of the "Start Peterman" threads. Only an idiot would think that a QB change would make any difference on this team.
It's not a very talented group. Our entire linebacker core is slow and two are on the wrong side of 30. Our DTs both need replacing, they have held back our ends. It's not hard to figure out...it's not a very talented group. But a lot of draft picks and free agents will fix that. Most of the players don't fit the scheme...so...there's that.
Tyrod had a fairly clean pocket yesterday. We rushed for a decent ypg, 15 carries for 69 yards. Yet, he couldn't pass for over 60 yards...that's embarrassing. We have Benjamin and had Clay back. Peterman looked better than Tyrod in preseason and still looks better than him now. The guy can throw an accurate pass from 10-25 yards. The only reason to not make the switch is Tyrod well liked in the locker room. They don't want to lose the locker room over benching a team leader in the middle of a wild card hunt. If we lose like this again though, you betcha he'll be pulled.
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1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:
41-19 is a very telling stat. That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes. You don't win games by not controlling the ball. Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team. DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game. Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.
Don't look at one individual game...The DTs aren't talented and neither are the linebackers besides imo Milano, who needs more playing time. Some of them don't fit the scheme and some aren't good enough. If they aren't removed this year they will be next year. However, with so many draft picks and salary cap, I think they will overhaul both groups. Most of our starters are free agents anyway
4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:41-19 is a very telling stat. That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes. You don't win games by not controlling the ball. Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team. DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game. Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.
I do agree though, a MLB should be one of the higher priorities
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50 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:
It will be the same old bull ****. Have to be better, the Saints played well, coaches need to be better, players need to be better, trust the process, need to focus on the chargers now, blah blah blah. It will be more cliche time.
What do you want him to say?
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2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:
This is the thing about Peterman
One of the things that is not being talked about is that a lot of us like Tyrod's wheels (probably the best in the league)
but the fact is.....Nathan Peterman has a pretty good set himself....AND he throws a accurate well timed ball.
I was all in on Tyrod last year......and I really wanted him to succeed this year......but when I watch the offense start to stutter and I start to think about a change
That's what makes him perfect for this system. He's mobile and accurate within 20 yards.
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Harrison Phillips DT Stanford. 6'3" 295. He's a lot like kyle williams. Is a senior and has had two productive years including this season's 65 tackle, 10.5 TFL, 5 sack performance that isn't over yet. He Has 12 sacks in two years. Really like the kid. Smart, upstanding character and seems to fit the scheme well. Just looks like a McDermott pick.
Tegray Scales LB Indiana 6'0" 230 lbs. He is the perfect player for McDermott's scheme. He has had 4 years of productive play in Indiana. Isn't a headcase and can lead a defense. his most productive year saw 125 tackles, 24 TFL, 7 sacks and an INT. He's showed he is fast and can cover down the field with his 7 career interceptions. He is a triple threat linebacker who can stuff the run, cover and get after the QB. Just like Luke Keuchly does in Carolina. Seems like a match to me. He's just a little undersized.
I like many others but these popped out to me as really realistic options. Later in the draft Josey Jewell and the Washington linebackers are nice fits as well. Lowell Lotulelei later in the draft for DT. Defensive end is tough. I really only like the top few guys. Arden Key is one of my favorite prospects. He hasn't had a tremendous year trying to come back from injury but he is a monster when healthy. He plays with such passion it amps everyone else up. He and Bradley Chubb have caught my eye. I think they both have the potential to land high in the top ten so that puts us out of reach for now at least. Some of the others are very good but just not a complete package to me. There will be plenty of options though if they decide to go that route. I personally think DT and LB are bigger needs.
However, it will be interesting to see if they draft a QB. If that happens in the first round, you can expect a few lineman with some of the high picks in the draft. So maybe, the front 7 won't be addressed a whole lot through the draft this year. Who knows what direction they take. They luckily have enough picks to give help to both sides a little.
6 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB. They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better. Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.
We do not have DTs. They will need two new ones. Washington is not good in the run defense and hasn't shown he can get to the QB. I'm all for developing young players but if they don't fit the scheme...there's no point. He had trouble with off the field stuff at the beginning of the year as well. Kyle Williams is old and has looked it. His contact is up, he may retire or stay on for nothing in a diminished role. The rest are backups at best...the DTs and linebackers are needs. Carolina draft a ton of DTs and LBs in McDermott/Beane's time there. He is addressing the DT, I guarantee it.
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Harrison Phillips DT Stanford is should be a riser as we approach the draft. I think his lack of outstanding athleticism will hurt him from rising too high. The 6'3" 290 defensive tackle reminds me of a young Kyle Williams having the ability to burst through the line with a quick first step. He can hold his own in the run game. This year he has recorded 65 tackles, 10.5 for loss and 5 sacks. That's a solid statline for a college DT not through a full season yet. He had 46 tackles, 10 for loss and 7 sacks in his junior season. I think he is perfect for this scheme. He might make his way into the tail end of the first round but will may fall to the second. He has the upstanding character, high production over a few years in college profile that McDermott likes. And he goes to Stanford...he's gotta be smart to go there. I think he should be on the radar
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He started at left tackle. I wasn't paying attention to him. Anyone see how he did? It didn't seem like Tyrod was under a lot of pressure and Shady had a decent running game especially with his 36 yarder Dawkins way but other than that I really wasn't watching him. He seemed to play well there.
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1 minute ago, nucci said:
Come on....Saints weren't really covering anyone
Maybe so but at least he made accurate passes. His throw from the 21 to Thompson in the endzone was a really nice ball but Thompson was getting mugged. He didn't make the ball uncatchable like so many of Tyrod's throws to the sideline. Plus Peterman took an endzone shot...Tyrod doesn't do that a lot. The kid seems accurate. His preseason was accurate and players were playing for their lives then. He showed a nice chemistry with Peterman in a few games in the preseason. I am running out of things to say about Tyrod that are positive. If he throws up another dud...Peterman will be warming up.
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4 minutes ago, ProcessTheTrust said:
It's gotten to the point where I would never wish an injury on the guy, but when TT got hurt on that personal foul, I was hoping he would step out and watch Peterman bring life to a dead O when it was still in reach. Oh well....soon enough...
It's inevitable...just how long do we have to wait. It'll happen. Tyrod's days are limited
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Just now, ProcessTheTrust said:
That's a great point. McD puts a ton of value on the fact the team voted TT a captain. He considers him a "leader". Ugh...
I feel the agony too. But if Tyrod keeps throwing duds, the locker room might look somewhere else and then...the change can be made
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2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:
This is 100% the opposite of what I and others see.
His reads are fast, throws decisive, ball has plenty of ZIP and the ball leads the receiver.
He seems to pass the 10-25 yard ball really well and on target. Haven't seen him throw the ball down field a lot but that's already a step up
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Just now, CircleTheWagons99 said:
Alex Smith.....
Exactly. There's a ton of players like him. Just needs to get some players in the locker room behind him and get this bandwagon going. Otherwise, it's Tyrod until we are mathematically eliminated. The coach doesn't want to lose the locker room over benching a highly regarded player in the midst of us being in the wild card hunt
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Just now, ProcessTheTrust said:
The O is designed for quick, decisive throws in tight windows. Which guy can make those throws? I wanted to believe Tyrod can compensate for that flaw by showing real leadership, running ability, etc...but bottom line, we just need a guy who makes NFL throws, even if he's limited to within 20 yards. At least Nate MAKES the dang throws.
Chad Pennington...I'll take accuracy any day over a guy who can heave it but isn't accurate enough.
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2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
I do feel bad for Tyrod. He is a tremendous athlete and a stand up guy. But he's just not an NFL QB. He can and has been effective in the right offence, with the right coordinator and the right playcalls and gameplan. But when it was announced that Dennison was going to run a WC offence, or variant thereof, I was shocked. I could not imagine a scheme less suited to Tyrod's skillset. And if I know that I have to believe that the Bills coaches know that (at least they should by now).
They have tried to make him execute from the pocket and there is a reason for that. The reason is that giving Tyrod the "right" scheme and plays may occasionally result in success but it will never result in success consistently, and most notably when it most matters. And that's because any good defensive front, like the Jets or the Saints or the Ravens or any team you are likely going to have to beat to reach the playoffs (and certainly to compete against in the playoffs) can take away what Tyrod does well and force him to do what he does not do well - work from the pocket, "be a QB". If Tyrod could do that he would probably be amongst the best and most versatile signal callers in the game - like Russell Wilson - but he can't and never has, not for a world of trying. Its really unfortunate, tragic even.
Surely the braintrust must now understand that Tyrod is out of options. So what do you do? The Bills are 5/4 and still in the playoff race. Every year a couple of mediocre teams, teams with major flaws, make the playoffs. Teams like the Bills. If you stick with Tyrod you pretty much know in advance that you will fail. So why would you go with him? You do it either because you are afraid to ruffle feathers (Tyrod is well liked) or because you are putting your own name on a rebuild and you really don't care what happens this year. Neither of those are good reasons. Organizationally they point to a lack of courage/leadership and to a cynical hypocrisy when they say that they are not tanking and that they have the will to win.
What they should do of course, as any reasonable observer not psychologically committed to an agenda fully understands, is start the rook. What he does best is what you want your QB to do in this offence. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that what he does best will simply not be good enuf for a host of reasons. At this point it really doesn't matter because he is your only hope. Not a great place to be but its where you're at regardless. And imo there is some basis for hoping. I really don't care that he is a fifth rounder. I don't care that he is far from being a phenomenal athlete. All that means nothing (or at least not very much) to me. He's a good enuf athlete and has enuf arm strength to execute Dennison's offence. I think there is a possibility that he is smart, I mean the way good QBs are smart. And if he is really really smart I think he can be a good QB. Lets find out.
That was an intelligent nice refreshing read. Thank you
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I do not want them to trade up. There are enough good QB prospects that one should be available at our original pick. Like you say we have too many other holes to fill.
I think you nailed it on the head. Pick the QB with our first pick and fill in holes after that. If they grab a QB, I'd expect the oline to be addressed twice early.
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Anyone else notice he took an endzone shot to Thompson and didn't heave it out of bounds. He through a really nice ball that fell incomplete because the defender was all over Thompson. How many times has Tyrod one: thrown it to into the endzone outside the twenty and two: made a catchable ball when throwing to the sideline. He gave the guy a chance to catch the ball...sure it's an incompletion but that's a nice ball.
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Anyone else notice how many different receivers he threw to in his short stint? He hit a couple different wide receivers, hit his tight end a few times and utilized his running back but didn't drop it down to him too much. This was the perfect performance for Peterman. It could've only been better if he hit a bomb for a touchdown. In the preseason, he displayed a nice chemistry with Zay Jones as well. To me, the only part that makes this decision hard is Tyrod is the leader of this offense. We might not think so but he is highly regarded in the locker room. It's tough to displace someone who is a leader when we are still in the wild card hunt. But I think we need to do it. If he's better, he could lead us to the playoffs. If he's not, we will suck the rest of the year and know that QB is top priority. This coaching staff after 9 games knows what they have in Tyrod as QB. It's time to see their draft pick, Peterman. To me, he fits this sheme perfectly. Not asked to do too much but can still throw the ball with accuracy and get it out quickly. He also has the mobility to do a boot play or evade rushes with his feet. Let's see if Peterman can throw to the wide receivers. We all know Tyrod had a very difficult time with that. Peterman in this short little opportunity, granted in garbage time, showed exactly what we saw in the preseason. He's accurate and decisive. I think giving him some playing time now will help his development as I believe he is ready for his opportunity. Let's turn this high potential offense around
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3 minutes ago, CanadianFan said:
The right move could have come in the off-season. That's what SMART front offices do. We still HAVE unused cap space this season. We didn't need to dump him NOW. We were 5-3, in the midst of a play-off race, which Beane admitted publicly. This was a HUGE miscalculation on his part. The RIGHT THING to do was off-season, when you have the ability to get a REPLACEMENT. It's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BY NOW. Only fools would be blind to it.
They didn't even get a full offseason...he will be replaced this offseason. Again, they bridge the gap with players from the last team until they fill the need. We have a ton of needs that need to be filled and a ton that needed to be this offseason, it can't all be done in one offseason man...it takes time
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Humber, Brown and Lorax don't fit the scheme. Take a look at Carolina's linebackers...all fast, can cover and blitz well. They also stuff the run. All of our linebackers need to be replaced but I think Beane and McDermott know that, that's why they draft two linebackers. Brown would be the only one that some might consider but he's too slow. Humber may be resigned for depth or if they don't get to replacing him as we have many holes but eventually all should be replaced
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3 minutes ago, CanadianFan said:
He didn't have to trade Dareus NOW. He could have traded him in off-season where we could have gotten a replacement either in draft of FA. As is, he took away the team's best run-stopper on a team that was relying on run-stopping to win games. THAT'S IDIOTIC.
He didn't buy into the system and when a leader on the defense doesn't buy into the system, you have the chance to lose a lot of other players that look up to him. Making that move now, while it doesn't help this season, was the right move. To them it is all about culture and chemistry. Having a guy that is questioning everything on the team will not help you succeed, it will just be a distraction. Plus more cap space. The front office doesn't care how we do now...they are making moves for 3-4 years from now when they have replaced the majority if not all of the roster they inherited. They are rebuilding...
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7 minutes ago, Dr. K said:
Defending Tolbert as the backup halfback does not put your argument in the strongest light.
I realize that, I was one of the first to say he needs to be replaced but through the draft. The only reason he is on the team is because he is familiar with the system and McDermott/Beane. That's what coaches do, bring players from their last team to slap on as a bandaid until the position is addressed. Tolbert will be replaced but not this season. Some fans can't forgive that for some reason and don't see that it's all about the future. Whatever happens this year doesn't really matter to the front office. They are looking to get the right guys for 3-4 years from now. How many players did Rex bring over when he came from the Jets? Those were bridge players, it happens with every coach haha. To them it's one less guy they have to bring up to speed and teach their system to. It makes sense, just Tolbert is old and not playing well
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1 hour ago, Shotgunner said:
I agree wholeheartedly with OP. These guys are just as promising as anyone else we have had in quite awhile. The talent just isn't there. "The process" doesn't happen overnight, and I do believe that will have 3+ years no matter the outcome. Bills owe it to themseoves and the fans to follow through with a plan and give it a real chance.
Now I could see a coordinator shakeup or something after the year is out, but I highly doubt we will see a coach or staffer scapegoated, simply because I don't think anyone is feeling the heat yet. Rex knew he had to win right away with all his bluster, but I get the feeling these guys will be given the lattitude to figure it out (or at least try) without Terry and Kim breathing down their neck.
The problem is, fans overreact so quickly and can put pressure on Pegula to make a move. All the moves they've made have clearly been for the future and some fans blame them for "the roster they built" for this year when they clearly inherited most of it and just need time to replace the bridge players and the players that don't fit. Just hoping the impatient fans don't run this group out of Buffalo
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Wow. Literally less than a year...amazing the impatience of fans these days. THIS regime has had less than....one....year. If you understand that all of the moves have been for the future, than it all makes sense. It's called a rebuild man...it'll take some time to get rid of the inherited players that don't fit