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Pretty hilarious.

Get over it pal... since Flutie left your team has been in the $hitter. It sucks, but we're suffering together.

Good times for RJ? Aside from a few meaningless games, there weren't many. For Flutie, the good far outweighted the bad.

Quality tackles? How about Pat Williams? Brandon Spoon wasn't bad but he DEFINITELY was not an NFL caliber player. He had a shot in St. Louis as well and couldn't make it there either -- and they have some decent tackles. Just saying I wouldn't be so quick to gush about a 5th round pick -- they were picked there for a reason.

John, No way to tell until you see them on the field. A guy by the name of Brandon Spoon looked real good to all of us on TBD who reviewd his "film." He is now out of the league.

I was referring to the Tennessee playoff game, not the following season.

Let the record state that it was 100% RW's call. Wade and the coaching staff were against it but were forced to oblige.

Could not have said it better myself. Thank you.

Hey he played with him for a few years in college -- so I wouldn't exactly discount what he has to say.

Mewelde Moore, who played with him in college did not have many nice things to say about Losman as a teammate. He even aired his thoughts to the press, saying he'd never want to be on his team again because the team was capable of so much more but Losman's selfishness played a major role in the season turning out the way it did. I don't feel like searching for the link but some creative google queries might yield a result.

Rob Johnson looked promising??? What games were you watching? He was absolutely lost out there and looked like a deer in headlights under center. Certainly, Flutie played on a team with plenty of veteran leadership and a great defense -- which is why he fit the team perfectly. We didn't need some pretty boy QB who couldn't get it done (like RJ). The team needed a QB who would make plays when needed and not turn the ball over. For the most part, Flutie did his part. But most importantly, he made going to games fun. He made being a Bills fan a lot more fun. Was he a QB to build around for many years to come? Of course not, the dude was old. But I'll take him for what he was... and what he was was a bright spot in the post-Kelly years. I'll take him anyday over the stiffs that have manned the position since Kelly left.

Haha YES, 2 consecutive playoff seasons IS a renaissance when compared to what we have seen of late. But I suppose your high standards are just fine with seasons averaging 6 wins over the past 5 years.

I find this somewhat laughable. Flutie presided over somewhat of a Renaissance for the Bills. He put the team back on the map, there was plenty of media attention and most importantly, he made plays when it mattered. He didn't turn the ball over and drove defensive coordinators nuts. As for his attitude problems, I really couldn't care less -- his record as a starter speaks for itself. And finally, there was once upon a time a player on the Bills who was fairly pomous and not so nice to his teammates -- his name was Jim Kelly. I'd take Flutie and his winning percentage over most of the trash we have seen on this team over the past few years.

I'm just playing... I did think it was a decent article. I think, in general, nobody disputes the fact that there was indeed a plan. Marv and Co. explicitly decided the best course of action, based on their efforts, was to stay put and take Whitner. Some people just disagree with the plan, that's all. I, for one, hope they are right... but I think that in making this move, they graded Whitner so highly that he needs to become another Roy Williams / Polamalu type player -- in other words Winfield-level production is not enough.

In general: Articles praising and/or justifying Bills moves = excellent Articles questioning Bills moves = crap

Too bad we didn't draft Sinorice.

Let me get this straight... one of the best GMs and talent evaluators in the league, Ernie Acorsi, followed the media's advice to trade down to #32. Hardly true. In actuality, McCargo was one of 5 players they were targeting (all graded at around the same level) and they took the opportunity to move down in the draft and grab an extra 3rd and 4th round pick. Perhaps they weren't able to fill their need -- but as Acorsi puts it in the article, pass rushers are like starting pitchers and power hitters -- you can never have enough of them. That aside, I think taking McCargo was a solid move for the Bills. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/413461p-349591c.html

Mularkey put it best when he said you can only wish you have as many London Fletchers on this team as possible.

Don't hope too hard.

Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on him? I figured that Willis article would particularly perturb you given your belief that football players should be responsible for thier offspring.

... and therein lies my point. Had they traded down and picked up an extra 2nd rounder, they are now in a position to significnatly upgrade a position other than SS (assuming Whitner is gone). They could take Joseph, Greenway, or Hali, all of whom are starting caliber players and would provide a boost to their respective units. Then, with the 2nd round pick they obtained in the trade, they could use that pick to trade up and grab McCargo. I fully understand the merits of their thinking -- that safety and DT were pressing needs that had to be filled -- but organizations who build championship teams treat draft picks like gold -- and acquire more of them, not surrender them. For a team with this many holes, staying at #8 to pick Whitner was a luxury. Is Whitner a good player? Hell yes he is. But the Bills are far more than one player away from building a winning team. A draft as deep as this is an ideal opportunity to build that foundation of core young players. Those core young players, more often than not, are found in the middle rounds. The question everyone asks is "God forbid if we lose out on Whitner we are screwed at safety. What do we do?" Well, honestly speaking, this team has questions everywhere... staying focused on one and only one area is not a luxury this team has. - Who starts opposite Lee Evans? Price and Reed are not the answers. - Will Spikes be effective? Contrary to what his PR campaign says, the odds are against him. - Who rushes the passer aside from Schobel? Note: Kelsay and Denney are not the answer - Do we really have a legitimate tackle? Aren't there depth concerns? Safety may very well have been the biggest hole but this team has plenty of needs and I feel that in a draft as deep as this, that pick could have been parlayed into multiple good players. The fact that we could get Youbody and Ko Simpson in the 3rd and 4th is a reflection on just how deep this draft was.

Anyone who questions what the Bills did is a misinformed, pathetic excuse for a journalist.

I have made suggesteions as well, yet people continue to ignore them. The point is this: Is a mid-round pick + a high second round pick > Donte Whitner? Some people (such as myself) say yes. Others (Marv included) say no.

Certainly. Point I was making was more about earnings estimates. Taking the average of all analysts estimates generally puts you in the right ball park of what a company will earn. Likewise, taking the average of all mock drafts will likely tell you in general where a player will be picked. In any case, we're getting into semantics here and it's not that productive. I just feel the Bills should have taken more risk in this draft, given that they were a 5-11 team. If the Bills' brass did actually pass on that trade, I feel it was the wrong move, considering the numerous holes on the team and the depth of the draft. Nevertheless, Whitner is a decent player... just not at #8 IMO. We happen to disagree. Case closed as far as I am concerend.

Have you ever traded stocks before? Are you familiar with earnings estimates? They are based on consensus estimates by analysts. Usually, their estimates are pretty close. Do analysts actually run the companies behind them? Are they CEOs and CFOs? NO! Contrary to what you believe, this is not rocket science.