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16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Do you spend money to watch a garbage man works? That’s a silly comparison.
and I care about the players and I care about really making America great. These players have a lot of power and I’m glad they are using it. How that bothers anyone blows my mind.
Is it? Aren't we all men, equally? I hope you see the irony.
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15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
For real. Oh no. Racist fans are going to quit watching because players are pieces of meat to them and they don’t care about what they and their families have to go through.
it’s hilarious that in a league that has domestic violence, murderers, scum like Richie Incognito (who a lot of those fans threatening to quit probably love), the thing that gets some people the most angry is silent protesting for racial equality. What does that say about you?
Come on man. Does anyone care what a garbage man's family goes through? If anything, the league has made these players "pieces of meat", not the fans. The word racist has been thrown around so loosely now that it is no longer the ultimate insult. Instead, it has come to mean "I don't agree with you/you look different than me".
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7 hours ago, Locomark said:
Wow “the city of good neighbors” just doesn’t quite earn its nickname in this thread. There is a politics section so hey mods isn’t there some way next time to find a way to steer this whole thing there ! This isn’t a football discussion.
This country is totally divided so can’t we at least acknowledge it and keep the Bills fans away from these topics in the football discussion pages ? I can rant about my political views to my 20K Twitter followers if I want to feel heard about that....I come to TBD to talk football.
You're not wrong, but the NFL stepped squarely into this mess and brought the politics with it.
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19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Who does? Who's a "leftist elite"?
Absolutely. There are 6 major news outlets in the US that control 90% of the media. All owned by leftist elites. Fox news is also moving in that direction over the last year. Campuses around the country have been censoring conservative viewpoints routinely while liberal platforms are not challenged. What happened to the debate between two sides, where actual solutions are created? Hollywood? Constantly promoting liberal view points. How much conservatism have you heard in Hollywood over the last decade?
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55 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
I can't speak to the Soros part, but the bolded flat out isn't true (at least not yet).
People like Candace Owens have been pushing that theory based on the fact that BLM uses a donations portal called ActBlue to collect donations. But she and many others have misconstrued what that actually means. When someone donates to the correct BLM group (there's another "organization" that's been created with a very similar name to try to get accidental donations), the donation passes through the ActBlue portal and is then distributed to BLM. ActBlue does the same thing for most Democratic political campaigns. If you donate to the Joe Biden campaign for example, the money goes to ActBlue and is then distributed to the Biden campaign. But people like Owens have been trying to lead people astray by saying that instead of BLM donations going through ActBlue to BLM, ActBlue is just taking that money and sending it to the Biden campaign or the DNC instead and that flat out isn't true. BLM, to this point, also has not donated any of the money they've received to the Biden campaign or DNC (though it wouldn't surprise me if that happens at some point since their goals at least partially align).
And people like Owens know that they're peddling lies because there's literally an identical setup for Republican campaigns and right-leaning organizations called WinRed that does the same exact thing. If you donate to the Trump campaign, the money goes to WinRed and is then distributed to the Trump campaign. Likewise if you donate to a random candidate running for Congress in Utah or something like that.
There's plenty of reasons to use to argue that you shouldn't donate to BLM, but the idea that donations to them simply get sent to Biden or the DNC is (at least for now), total BS.
Fair enough. I know there is a sea of misinformation to sift through and the truth is buried deep when it comes to the kind of money involved. ActBlue is a Democrat Super PAC though, and people are questioning where the money is going.
The irony is, while fighting institutional/system racism, why run money through the Dems? The institutions/systems where people gather information and ideas, are the Media, Academia, and Hollywood, all of which are monopolized by leftist elites. They literally control these institutions.
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When George Soros provides the seed money for your start up organization, you can be sure the purpose of that organization is not to help anyone other than global elitists.
When that organization grows and starts funneling money to the DNC, the true nature of the organization is being revealed.
There is an organic element of this movement made up of great people, with great intentions, but the organized faction of this movement is made up of something entirely different. They are using good people to carry out an agenda that has nothing to do with equality or the greater good of society.
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12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
And right there, with all due respect, is what is wrong with your argument. It’s all spelled out right in that statement. Astronomical platforms can lead to meaningful change. That’s what protests are all about. This seems so obvious.I respect your opinion, but my opinion is that it was the wrong time. Maybe, if a group of players got together on their own time, put forth a coordinated effort, organized meetings at their local police precincts and created their own platforms they could have also made a great movement without the backlash.
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27 minutes ago, Hermes said:
I'm not missing the point in the least we just have different perspectives on it. The NFL as an employer gives it's employees the opportunity to express opinions by grandstanding themselves and making a spectacle of the whole ordeal. People would still watch if there were no anthem or flyovers.
The NFL, in particular, and major league sports, in general are completely different beasts than your average employers. The NFL as an organization isn't a fair model for it's employees where players are treated like cattle and drafted by teams they might not want to play for, all for the 'privilege' to continue their employment.
The visibility of the platform that these athletes perform on is absolutely astronomical. So yes, while they are still people, the impact they have due to their profession is much greater than almost all other people around the world.
Fair enough. The only thing is the NFL didn't initially give their consent. They had to scramble to get a handle on it when they started to receive backlash.
You are right, NFL players do have an astronomical platform. That is exactly why there was no need to hijack a moment meant for something else. That is the crux of my argument.
My only point in all of this is there is a right time, and right way to do things. I don't believe the kneeling during the anthem, especially with pig/cop socks, is the right way, in the simple sense that it has caused unnecessary backlash for the league and further division of people. It did bring a heightened awareness of the issue at hand, so there is absolutely success in that. It could have been done differently, and without the backlash. I might be right, or wrong, its only my opinion.
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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I used the Ford example as to why it’s different. At Ford you have people that work on the line to create cars to sell. In the NFL the players are closer to the cars than they are to the guys on the line. The NFL needs it’s stars or they lose money (and potentially millions).
These players are immune to things that would get the rest of us fired. Obviously they can’t do what Aaron Hernandez did but they can do things no other “employee” could. I’m half-kidding about Mahomes taking a dump on Reid’s desk but he could. He could punch Andy Reid in the face and start 2 days later. You can’t punch your boss in the face. It’s not the same.
I mostly agree with you. Certain players definitely have "immunity", to a degree. Skilled people in all lines of work get that treatment though. I can think of a carpenter punching his boss in the face and being back in the morning simply because he was the one that made the boss the most money. Now, if that was an ongoing thing, he would be sent packing. Necessity creates security everywhere in this life.
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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The employer has a right to terminate whomever they want. If the Chiefs decide they don’t like what Mahomes is doing on their time they can fire him. It’s like that in any job.
More to the point, did the consequences of the player/employee actions justify being fired? Its different in different states, but there is usually a reason
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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
It’s not though it’s earned. If Patrick Mahomes takes a dump on Andy Reid’s desk nothing happens to him. This isn’t an employer/employee relationship necessarily. The sports model is different. The players are your assets. Ford sells cars. The NFL sells the talent of the players.
Yes, it is earned, but its also a privilege, in any profession. I agree to an extent, but the players are also reliant on the NFL. One without the other doesn't exist. Great NFL players get more second chances than most, and we hear about it because of the publicity. Corporate performers also get those luxuries, we just dont hear about it nearly as much. I think the NFL would still survive unless there was a mass exodus. As always, its all about the money...
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
At least this is honest.
Yep. That is what it always does. But in this case the sum is complicated by the fact that it doesn't know how much a full scale revolt by its talent would cost.
It is complicated, but something tells me that with those kind of salaries, a full scale revolt isn't likely.
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52 minutes ago, Hermes said:
Yes if my waiter or waitress whether lgbtq decides to promote anyone they wish it would not affect the 'quality' of the meal I ordered.
Also is the waiter's or waitress', in question, performances being scrutinized by millions of people worldwide..
Realistically yes someone who is world renowned should be held to a different standard than someone who is only truly known by his or her close family and/or friends
You realize that NFL players are just people, right? You are missing the point completely. Maybe someone doing their political grandstanding on their employers platform might not bother you as an individual, but if it causes a problem for the business, its not fair to the employer. There is a time and a place for everything, especially when you are representing a business for compensation.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
The NFL have now basically overturned their prior opposition to the kneeling. The NFL doesn't have a product without the players. It gets that. Some of its most prominent owners even got it the first time around with the kneeling. The NFL lets politics in when it suits it. Salute to service suits it. It has now seemingly taken the view that black lives matter suits it too. Maybe the sums change as a result and it suits the NFL no longer. But both are overtly politics in sport.
You can be sure the NFL will follow the money.
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16 minutes ago, SDS said:
It is not your protest and the protest is not arranged around your comfort or your hard day.Did I imply that it was? Or wasn't? Your saying that everyone can do what they want, whenever they want regardless of consequences? Great idea..
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Fair. So you are fine with the timing of salute to service?
That is a pre arranged agreement between two parties. If the NFL, and team owners agreed to protesting, that would also be fine. The problem for the NFL and the owners is trying to gauge the financial ramifications this might have. Regardless of the cause, when you hijack a platform meant for something else, there are consequences that could be damaging to the very people that provide your employment.
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2 minutes ago, Hermes said:
Exactly. People like to think these things are mutually exclusive so they can have one without the other.
It baffles me how many people equate their jobs/professions with that of an NFL player. They train tirelessly for their entire lives to reach 'the pinnacle' of their profession yet (you) as a middle class (insert profession here) believe that the conduct of you both should be held to the same standard
What are you saying? You are elevating NFL players to a higher standard than the middle class, or "regular people" in general? To be "the pinnacle" of any profession requires exceptional effort, not just for people that play a game for a living. Its also a privilege. So I guess what you saying, is if your out to eat and your waiter wants to promote Trump, your'e good with that?
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
So you are fine with the anthems and the fly pasts but not with a protest you disagree with?
Where did I say I disagree with the protest? I disagree with the timing. Its not the same...
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Personally, watching a football game is nice 3 hour escape from normal life. I understand the National Anthem inserts a political element into the event. I am all for the right to protest, but I draw the line at doing it on company time. To me, it is like going out for dinner while my waiter protests animal cruelty, and all I wanted was my steak dinner. Its simply not the time. People need to find their own platforms and not try to hijack what was meant for something else. NFL players in particular, have the ways and means to do just that.
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13 minutes ago, thronethinker said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4673463,-81.4612532,1311m/data=!3m1!1e3
On Grand National Drive
The wings were the best I ever had. Always came out perfect, and that sauce....wow!
No doubt. They were always cooked to order and always crispy. I am a self proclaimed connoisseur of wings, and these were hands down the best every single time. We have to find this guy and get the recipe!
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I remember this place. The first thing I thought was they had the best wings ever! I have been trying to copy the recipe but could never quite get it right. They were perfect every time. This was the abandoned strip mall that Jim and Tammy Bakker got busted in. It was the only storefront open in the whole place when the Sports Page was there.
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59 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
I might say you have a point, but you have none. What specifically do you object to? Is it you think Trump University wasn't a fraudulent business? Or you think Trump has changed since he ran a fraudulent business? Or something else?
You might, but you missed it. When people are blinded by their dislike, they lose the ability to be objective and make sound decisions. I don't expect that you will understand.
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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:
I suspect both these clowns are just going to negotiate forever. They barked at each other and that didn't work, so they are acting like friends. Kim got the international spotlight, a seat at the table and for the US to stand down on military preparedness, Trump got his favorite thing, a photo op. People celebrating this are just star struck by seeing Trump looking like he is doing something. Same reason people paid money to attend Trump University. They are just getting sold gilded poop.
This statement is exactly why people who are emotionally charged about a situation or circumstance, can't keep their perspective grounded in reality.
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8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
The point is Trump took over an economy that was thriving. Momentum kept it moving up. But his trade war is going to screw the pooch.
You are right. Obama was still the president the day after the election results. Take a look at a stock market graph. When you wan't the real truth, look at where people put their money. Maybe its just a coincidence?
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Black Lives Matter Messaging at "The Stadium"
in Off the Wall Archives
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I agree with this, and the message, except for one thing. This isn't a case of a player using "their" platform. A player took it upon himself to use "the teams" or "franchise owners" platform. Its not the same thing. If the player gained consent, that's another story. Its no different than an employee of any business using their time at work to promote whatever it is they want to. I get why it was done, but lets no omit the fact that this platform was hijacked.