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7 hours ago, Tiberius said:
I think many programs help people reach their potential. Increases human capital. Has Social Security advanced communism in this country?
Like I said, I am not against social programs, they are necessary. Social Security is not socialism, it is a social program.
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1 hour ago, SoTier said:
This is absolute bull manure. Democratic socialism has never morphed into communism anywhere. In fact, numerous western European nations have swapped captialist and social democratic governments repeatedly in the 65 years since the end of WW II. Communism has always been imposed upon a society/country by a small oligarchy of ideologues, just like fascism, both of which are simply forms of dictatorship. Democratic socialism has proven completely compatible with political democracy.
You obviously know nothing about European societies not European history. I suggest you do some reading on it before you start blathering about it.
Moreover, don't give me this bull manure about the US having "an influx of people who want to change our society, not support it". Just say it. You don't like brown people from Latin America or black people from Africa or the Caribbean or more brown people from Asia immigrating to the US. The very same xenophobic nonsense you're spouting about today's immigrants is the same xenophobic nonsense that nativists in the late 19th and early 20th century spouted spouted about my Italian, Polish, and Jewish immigrant grandparents when they came to this country around the turn of the 20th century. They were full of crap then, and you are full of crap now.
If the middle class is shrinking in this country, it's NOT because of social programs or immigrants but because of forty years of pro-wealth/pro-business government policies that have shifted the tax burden off the wealthy and onto the middle and working classes while depressing wages, gutting social supports for the poorest Americans, and limiting real access to opportunity by transferring the cost of public higher education from government (which is where it was for about a century before the 1980s) to individual students and their families.
Your first problem is that you are trying to compare two very different countries, with considerable differences in population and demographics, assuming you are going to get the same results. You also make a lot of incorrect assumptions about me. I have three close friends in Europe, one in Germany, Praha and Belgium who I speak to regularly. I have also been married twice, both to "brown" woman, as you would put it. In your quest to expose my ignorance, you seem to have exposed your own, simply because I think differently than you do. I believe in the strengthening of our middle class and less government for our constitutional republic. If I wanted socialism for myself, I would pack up and move somewhere else.
So, when a small class of elites manage the masses of people who now collectively have very little resources, there is no chance of them becoming oligarchs? I am sure they would never impose their will on the people, would they?
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10 hours ago, SoTier said:
Most of the EU countries as well as Canada practice what American conservatives call "socialism", primarily universal health care and social programs to support low income citizens and retirees. Norway -- and maybe Sweden -- have much more expansive social programs. Yeah, people pay higher taxes in those countries but their standards of living and their political freedoms and processes aren't impinged upon because these countries are "socialist". Why isn't there a mass exodus from the EU countries today when they're largely "socialist" as opposed to when millions left those same countries in the late 19th century and early 20th century when capitalism was the economic system there?
I have no problem with social programs. They are absolutely necessary. The problem that we have here, that many of the nations you mentioned do not, is that many of our citizens take advantage of the system who do not need it, taking away from those that do. I know this happens elsewhere, but not on the grand scale we have here. Also, many of those nations are equivalent to the size of a single state, with largely indigenous populations that teach their citizens to contribute to their society. They assume personal responsibilities that we have gotten away from. We have an influx of people who want to change our society, not support it. They are also more limited in their freedoms and not presented with nearly the same level of opportunities and ownership as we are. America has always thrived when the middle class was the strongest element of our society, but we are losing that. The problem with socialism, is that if its successful, it becomes communism. It goes against the grain of everything that this nation has built itself upon.
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13 hours ago, Tiberius said:
Who are you talking about? The majority of citizens of this country?
I don't know if its the majority, but about half sounds right.
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8 hours ago, Tiberius said:
Or when The People do have a choice
Right. People who have no understanding of what that entails, or those who would choose to move to move to Cuba or Venezuela, but cant, because they don't have the resources because they don't like to work in a capitalistic society. Did you ever wonder why no one is fleeing capitalism?
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1 hour ago, unbillievable said:
Just because socialism didn't work last time, doesn't mean it won't work this time.
True. Maybe it will work better when people no longer have a choice...
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Texas is changing. I remember going to the playoff game in Houston. I was amazed at all the tent cities beneath the overpasses. The irony is all of the Californians that fled from their high taxes, filthy streets, sanctuary cities and unsustainable programs, are bringing with them the exact same politics that caused them to leave in the first place. It truly seems to be a learning disorder.
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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...why the hell can't they be LEGAL and come through Ellis Island like my late grandparents did, coming from Italy?......what's changed?.....two families with one raising 9 children and the other raising 4 with NO public assistance or "gimmes"...no riots asking for "MORE"......worked as many jobs as possible to make ends meet.....
I wish I had the answer. For some reason, we are the only country in the world where there is not an expectation not to protect our sovereignty
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31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
Which allows businesses to expand, buy more raw materials, rent trucking etc.
Does that make sense? Do you get it? A business gets workers, so it can create more business, thus creating more jobs down the line?
Not sure I can explain it any simpler, but if you still can't understand I'll write it another way
The wall stops none of those bad things, very ineffective but it does put a barrier between buyers and sellers, which increases costs, Who pays? Consumers
You literally said "immigrants create jobs", referring to illegals. Do you understand the difference between creating jobs, and filling jobs? You obviously don't. Sorry bud, but you are just too far gone to continue...
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24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
The wall is a barrier, economies do way better without artificial bottle necks
Again with the emotional opinion with no basis to substantiate your claim. I enjoy a good debate, but if you're not going to bring any substance to your argument, what is the point? You sidestep the issues of ILLEGAL immigration, human trafficking and drug running and try to fabricate some economic disadvantage. You are stuck in the middle of some type of ideology and cant rationalize your way out.
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25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
A factory can’t expand because it has no workers, it finds immigrants to fill the role, the factory then contracts out for goods and services which creates jobs down the line. Does that make sense?
So, they FILL jobs, not CREATE jobs as you previously stated? Again, ILLEGAL immigrants cannot even LEGALLY fill jobs because a factory (which created the jobs) cannot LEGALLY pay them. Does that make sense? Can you distinguish the difference between legal and illegal? It is significant.
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4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
Makes no difference to the economic equation, and the stupid wall implies making an economic barrier which is really dumb
You keep giving your opinion with no explanation.
Please explain how ILLEGAL immigrants create jobs?
Please explain how the wall is an economic barrier? Except for mules of drugs and human trafficking...I will give you that...
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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:
Immigrants create jobs. Learn a little economics, you won’t look so ignorant. And the wall won’t stop any drugs, that’s stupid
Did you see where I bolded the word ILLEGAL to help you differentiate between ILLEGAL immigrants and immigrants? I thought that would help distinguish the difference for those who choose to ignore that very important point. So, you are trying to tell us that illegal immigrants come over here and create jobs? Do you mean fill jobs, or create illegal jobs? Please expain.
I think the wall will prevent some drugs from crossing over, but it will not stop drugs, nothing will. I should have said it will greatly help reduce human trafficking and illegal crossings. Better?
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On 10/19/2020 at 6:06 AM, TBBills said:
Even Trump's own republican party doesn't like him. People are realizing this man has gone batshit crazy. It is fun to read the tinfoil hat repubtards in this forum who still stick with him even though he has destroyed this country.
What Trump did in Washington is the equivalent of turning on the lights in the kitchen when the roaches are out. They are exposed, and scramble in a panic to take cover at any cost. Republicans and Democrats alike. Take a step back and look at the big picture. Its crystal clear if you're not guided by hate and a head full of MSM propoganda.
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On 10/18/2020 at 8:25 AM, SectionC3 said:
This is the stuff of banana republic dictators. It's what happens when we accommodate extremism. It has to end. There is no space for the unjustified incarceration of a political rival in any corner of this democracy. There is no space for the leader of this country to suggest such incarceration. And there should be no space for anyone to support that behavior, be it overtly, covertly, directly, or indirectly.
This will be my last post here for awhile. It's come to my attention that my bluntness and honesty has hurt the feelings of some very tender Trump supporters here, and in doing so I may have hurt this website. I couldn't care less about the former issue; it's ironic and pathetic that a bunch of people who support misogyny, xenophobia, dog-whistle racism, and the unjustified incarceration of political opponents, and who lack the empathy to wear a mask to protect their neighbors during a pandemic, have complained about and are so damaged by the expression of truth.
The latter issue, however, matters. I don't want to hurt this business, and I don't want to imperil this website. I've also wasted too much time here, amusing as it may be.
So, I'll stand back and stand by for awhile. Hoax. I'm not a scumbag who supports the Proud Boys. But I will go away for awhile. That's the truth. Best of luck, and choose wisely in October/November. The fate of our democracy depends on it.
Go Bills. I will see you all in happier times.
Translation: I have run out of ways to explain away things about my candidate that I would crucify Trump for, so I am going to leave because there is no plausible defense for my lodgic...
On 10/18/2020 at 9:09 AM, Tiberius said:Looks like total 100% Russian propaganda. So a computer was left at a repair shop and it got turned over to Rudy G?
Ok
Right, but something tells my you were 100% sold on the Steele Dossier. I hope you can see the hypocrisy, but I doubt it.
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On 10/12/2020 at 8:51 AM, Tiberius said:
I want an end to the war on the poor. A serious look at the war on drugs to start.
With Texas turning blue I have no problem at all with the electoral college.
Love ❤️ it.! Pretty soon, we can start locking Republicans out of the WH using it.
Again, BLM/Antifa have not tried kidnappings, massacres (like right wingers are doing) bomb plots or trying to undermine faith in our voting system, like the president is.
Interesting. So you must be a fan of the border wall? It helps the poor by not allowing ILLEGAL immigrants in who would occupy many of the jobs the poor could fill. It would also help to curtail the influx of illegal drugs coming over the border.
So, you like the electoral college when it works for you, but when it doesn't you want to destroy it? Change the rules as you go mentality?
You really don't think mail in voting is a plot to undermine the voting system? OK.
I guess its easier to understand how you come to your conclusions when we see how conflicted you are...
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10 hours ago, Tiberius said:
He really is just terrible. If you are that bad a judge of character then I feel bad for you and it really makes me happy your side is losing. We need people that can see a horse is a horse and not blind ourselves with hate.
The DNC is doing a great job and I like winners.
You see, even when its illuminated for you, all you can see is Trump. Its keeping you from seeing the mess that is otherwise known as Joe Biden. You are blinded by hatred, or should I say programmed?
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10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
No, Trump is a POS who is losing. Biden is fine.
Trump is just trash
Exactly what I thought, the standard DNC platform. "Hate Trump". It works well to keep the myopic part of society in check. It keeps them from getting sidetracked and it takes the focus off the guy who cant get out a complete thought without a teleprompter or audio transmitter. Imagine if people judged the candidates on what they bring to the table? That would be a DNC disaster.
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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:
He’s just a better man, more rational, level headed and interested in governing. Trump is not
Better man how? Morally? He probably wants you to think that. His actions suggest otherwise. Rational and level headed? I'm sorry, but this man is clearly neither of the above. He is in obvious cognitive decline, and that is a sad but true statement. I agree he has an interest in governing, unfortunately his motivation is not for the betterment of our society, but to the benefit of his family. Trumps energy for governing far exceeds Biden's. I would say none of your points make a valid argument.
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53 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
Drain the Trump swamp. Millions of dollars spent at his businesses by governments and corporations that have pending business with the president https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-businesses-flourished-from-his-presidency-times-reports/ar-BB19TDe9
Why do guys like you, who point fingers at Trump, often overlook Biden's misdeeds? I was debating a friend of mine, who hates Trump, and asked what it was about him he disliked so much. I understand why people don't like the way he speaks, I get that, but the irony of his answer struck me. He said he was upset about Trump saying "he could grab woman by the p*$$y" and Ukraine quid pro quo. Really? What about Tara Reid? Her claim had much more substance, she was physically violated, and was overlooked by the DNC media. What about Joe Biden's quid pro quo that he admitted/bragged about on tape? Also overlooked by the DNC media. Even when provided with actual evidence, my friend wasn't even remotely interested. This is the problem. Trump hate has caused people to lose all objectivity and they have become a danger to themselves and society. They will never see it until its too late, and then they will just blame others for not warning them. Its what they do...
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On 10/6/2020 at 10:42 AM, TBBills said:
Can anyone give any reason why to vote for Trump other than the promise of more riots, unrest, and unemployment?
Interesting. The riots and unrest are Soros funded and the virus is the reason for current unemployment...
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Its way to early to predict 4+ years down the road, but I would guess he will groom his children to run the county, and sit back and watch all the silly libs running around in circles screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". Meanwhile, normal people will be prospering and thanking God for escaping the global socialist movement that the ill informed have been dreaming of...
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On 9/1/2020 at 9:09 AM, thenorthremembers said:
You'd think after 2016 Dems would stop looking at polls. On 9/1/2016 polls had Clinton at 302 electoral votes, she ended with 227. She was also twice the candidate Biden is.
You would think, but your basing your hypothesis on people that actually learn from their mistakes...
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On 4/5/2020 at 9:47 AM, Tiberius said:
He is not a leader, he is a rabble rousing clown.
Spot it you got it?
Covid 19 vs Trump
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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You might want to change "of" and "from" to with. Its misleading.