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Rousseau and Teller the only lineman on either side of the ball who were both a Beane draft pick and a solid value. Ford, Basham, Brown, AJE, Oliver, Doyle have all been disappointments. Wyatt Teller greatly exceeded expectations, but we let him walk. Beane needs help identifying and keeping top quality linemen. It's his Achilles heel.

The fans shouldn't be doing the voting. The media figures shouldn't be doing the voting. The probowl is nothing more than a popularity contest. Let the coaches and players decide who is worthy. Better yet, let them vote for best at each position and skip the pointless game.

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: Bengals were 6th in total defense and Chiefs were 8th in total defense, that is not league average that is top 10. Agreed, replace Poyer and Edmunds with average guys and an elite DT. I guess the numbers for Oliver make it hard to unload him without creating $ problems, but something has to be done. Also, Beane needs to do better in the top 3 rounds. He hasn't been bad, but 31 other teams want that trophy. I know we say it every year, but he has to nail those picks.

This is in response to many posts. We have a lot of 'B' players and not enough 'A+' players. I'm talking about Oliver, Basham, Edmunds and such. We have to replace Poyer and Edmunds with less expensive guys. We need to replace Oliver with a serious disruptor. The OL needs 3 upgrades IMO -- Big nasty guys like Richie that will toss you like a rag doll if your footwork is subpar. I can live with a more physical, less expensive MLB. I am OK with pairing an average S with Hyde to free up cap space to sign 2 or 3 big name FA's. I'm even OK with taking the best RB in the draft. We will lose some quality depth, but it is clear that you just have to have about 6 guys that are making game changing plays on the regular even if you have to replace some 'B' players with 'C' players to pay them all. We have to start dominating in the trenches and be able to pound the ball. If Josh leads this team in rushing next year, I will consider that a failure. No more just showing a few runs. Make this a 2-way offense. Again, we need a big back too. Josh Allen and a 1,000 yard RB would get us where we need to go. Not only that, but Josh led the NFL in turnovers because we only ran well on a few occasions. That gave defenses an advantage and made pass protection harder. We need the element of surprise.

Having 2 WR1's works better if you have a great run game. I'd love to see this, but not if it means no BIG upgrade to our OL and a clear #1 RB that you have to game plan for.

I was happy when we drafted Oliver. Today I want to trade him.

I never thought winning the SB was more than a 10-15% chance. I also think we really need to avoid being overly complacent and shake things up a more than usual. I wouldn't fire Beane or McDermott, but both coordinators are fair game. That said, Dorsey was a 'rookie' and had a poor OL and few weapons to work with.

Any potential trades you'd like to see? A FA you're really wanting? Do you have a favorite draft target? Who do you resign? Who do you let walk? The OL has needed an upgrading for a while and now as much as ever. The Bengals were getting pressure with just 3 guys. Allen needs better skill players. We really need a more balanced offense and I'd love a big back. I want an absolute beast on that OL and 3-Tech. I'd trade Oliver for draft capital. Also, how much did lingering injuries contribute to that disasterous performance last Sunday? Your approach?

I'm wondering if there was similar talk in Philly before Andy Reid was fired. I'm nowhere near the conclusion that McDermott is the problem. I think Beane is the more suspect of the 2. Too many of his high draft picks haven't met expectations and I still consider the Basham pick a big mistake. Everyone keeps saying that they shouldn't draft for need and then they go do it anyway. We needed OL help badly. Spencer Brown has been a bust. The Bengals were getting pressure with only 3 guys rushing the passer. No one was getting open. That pick could have helped us a lot more. Ford was a bust. Edmunds is good, but not great. Same with Oliver, but Edmunds is better. I'm not ready to send Beane packing either, but multiple positions in our roster have been exposed. FIX THE OL Beane!

Beane has been OK on draft days, but his success with drafting OL and DL has been subpar. I like Rousseau and Jones as well as Phillips when he's healthy. Von might come back strong, but maybe we need to sign linemen and draft the skill positions.

The problem is primarily the trenches, not the coaching or the GM. Allen needs more help and our OL/DL just aren't good enough. Let Poyer and Edmunds walk. Trade Oliver. Get after the best OL FA's on the market. We have numerous holes to fill. Oliver should be traded for draft capital. The Bengals OL was so banged up and he didn't even get 1 tackle. I'm more disappointed in him than I am with Brown and Saffold.

When the Bills season ends, the football season ends. I honestly couldn't care any less. Just get an OL and a couple skill position starters. Start with RT, then G, WR and then BPA. 10 points in a divisional round game at home? Serious upgrades are needed. Gabe is a WR3 and our OL is among the worst in the NFL. I've been calling for OL upgrades for the past 3 years at least. It's got to be top priority this offseason. I want to see 3 new starters up front in 2023. Maybe even 4 with Dawkins possibly moving inside.

I keep saying Rousseau and it hasn't happened, so I will go with Diggs and Tre'Davious White on O and D. I expect solid games from our LB's too.

We played a very sloppy game last Sunday, but the Bengals played a subpar game too. All I can say is that I'm extremely disappointed that Von won't be available when we need him most. Our DL depth is good, but nowhere near as good as Von.

Why? He's been so-so in his first year as OC. Who's next? Hackett?

Let's hope so. He's only been successful in GB. He's been a train wreck everywhere else except maybe Syracuse.

On 12/23/2022 at 3:47 AM, MrEpsYtown said: I think Morse finishes out his contract, so two more years. But I think he retires after that. I don’t think that center is a massive need because the presence of Ryan Bates on the roster. I think he is good guard and a really good center. I think we need one high end interior linemen to replace Saffold who has been terrible. See what Jenkins cost with his extension, that upgrade will have to come either by trade or the draft imo. Both Brown and Bates should be backups. I'm not sure why anyone thinks either of them is any good.

On 12/18/2022 at 3:08 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: They seem to like addressing one thing at a time. First it was skill positions, then it was the D-Line, and next will be O-line. They’ll have a high first round pick which is the perfect spot to get a quality Guard. I agree, but this assumes we've already addressed RT. I also think Bates needs to be replaced. He's not terrible, but he's still subpar. The Bengals and Chiefs addressed their OL problems and it has paid dividends. We also need a WR2 and slot receiver, but our OL is a LOL and should be top priority. No to Conklin though. He's overrated.

We have to play well for 4 quarters to beat them.

I don't hate Dorsey, but he needs to do a little better. The way I see it, he's a rookie coordinator and should get better. I'd like to see us get slightly less risky when we have a big lead, but our run game isn't what it should be.

Just make the OL and WR our top 2 priorities this coming offseason and 2023-2024 will be his best year to date. If our run game is as good as our pass game, Josh will play with a clean pocket. I do think he doesn't process or see things quite as quickly as other elite QB's, but his athleticism more than makes up for it.

Turns out everyone at PFF doesn't hate Josh after all. I'm mildly surprised.

We're good, but between the OL and the injury to Von Miller, we are vulnerable in the trenches. Philly and SF are very strong in the trenches and could be a real problem for Josh if we can even get by the Bengals and Chiefs. We can't play like we did against Miami and beat any team we are likely to play from here on out. I hope the players and coaches are up to the task.

Milano too. Otherwise I think the OP nailed it.

The general idea is that when bad things happen you criticise and when good things happen, you praise. There was a lot to both praise and criticise today. Why is this so difficult to grasp?