nbbillsfan

James proche, WR, SMU

Everyone comparing this deal to Hopkins did not watch much of Texans last year. I was living in Hou for much of last year and watched almost every snap he played. Guy was either hurt or lost a step, maybe 3. Would not surprise me if he goes the way of anquan boldin/kelvin benjamin/ Brandon Marshall ect. Most likely scenario I actually think he’ll be similar to Larry fitz of last 5ish years. Good catch radius, chain mover, but not a game changer. These deals are apples and oranges IMO.

Obviously our scouts didn’t think they were studs.

A couple things: 1. He looks surprisingly quick, fluid, fast. Anyone know why he didn’t run the 40 at the combine? 2. We know Beane and Co spent A Lot if time watching DK Metcalf and AJ Brown, obviously Knox caught there eye.

Obviously both is great, but if just one then speed/quickness. Really what I want is someone who can get separation. I am a Josh Allen fanboy, but think percision passing will likely never be his strong suit. I think he would excel more throwning to receivers with a step then trying to put the ball exactly where a big receiver could get the ball over a smaller corner. Much like cam newton, who had a modest 59% career completion percentage with big wr’s like Benjamin and Funchess, this year he got some burners and was 68%.

Anyone who is not dissapointed in Allen thus far just doesn't get it. Guy has simply not played the position well, at all. He has run the ball well for a QB, but you know it is a bad sign when the best thrown ball of the last few games came from Nate fricken Peterman. They days of QB's needing a year to be productive are over, there plentiful examples of guys coming in and showing a ton of potential, as a passer, early on. There are not many examples, however, of guys struggling to complete passes at the rate Josh has, who were able to overcome that. I like Josh, he has ton's of talent and seems to have a great work ethic and drive. He is miles behind mentally and accuracy wise. We will see if hard work and determination can drastically improve those areas; however, history has not been kind to QB's with these issues. The best thing I can say about the kid, is that if anyone can beat the odds, I think it could be him.

The only hope we have is that coaches were putting players in tough spots to see if they could handle them, that they won't be put in during the regular season. However, seems no one handled their responsibilities well, and you can't give help to everyone...

Simms has seemed to pump up josh Allen a couple times. I’d love this if true, but I wonder if Simms has a bias for some reason.

What data? While I agree with your assessment, there is no data that truly measures anticipation, timing or football IQ. While I agree that will likely be why Allen fails (if he does fail), that is true for most quarterbacks. Also, there are very very few QB’s who you could confidently say excelled in those areas coming out of college. however, in my opinion there are a few things a qb needs to develop these skills: intelligence, hard work, and talent. Allen has all three. Whether he puts it all together, who knows.

I am sorry as i don't really know how the offseason works. Will Zay potentially have any meaningful practice time before start of seaons?

cant say i understand this with our lack of experience/talent on the OL.

Our receivers should be better than last year, and we made the playoffs with them. They are not a good unit, but if this team fails to make the playoffs I feel it will be the OLine's (running game) regression that will be responsible.

Trust me, there will be no quote, no link, not even a "rumor" from someone he claims to know. He will just disappear and troll the same nonsense in a few days.

Lol you said that like it’s a bad thing...but Jamarcus with athleticism smarts (and work ethic) could have been a pro bowler..

I think Beane showed his thoughts on trading 2019 draft picks. The truth is we were lucky to make the playoffs last year. There are teams who had down years who should have been better, and the AFC as a whole should be better/deeper this year. Oh, and we will be starting a rookie qb or a AJ Mcarron. Beane likely sees that there is a real potential we are a bad team this year. We would not get a good value on our 2019 picks as teams will contend that that pick should be in the 21 range (where we were this year), when in reality it might be much higher than that....

Any easy way to confirm this is look at other QB's completion % in that offense. Nic Shimonek, this years QB in that offense, had a 66.5% completion %. That is one thing that people don't seem to understand, so much of completion % is the offense you run. Allen may very well struggle with completion % in the NFL, but it is erroneous to think a guy like Mahomes won't because he had a high completion % in college.

Yes, If you are a jerk who historically doesn’t respond well to coaching then you do have to be more talented than a guy who is strong leader and is very coachable in order to succeed. With that being said, there are nearly as many examples of the former as there is of the latter.

But listen to the guy talk, you can hear his arrogance for yourself. It’s not just rumors and smoke, if you listen to the qbs in this draft talk they are all likeable; Rosen is not. again, if he’s a great qb none of this will matter. Likewise, if Allen is the most likeable/coachable player of all time, but can’t put it together, than who cares.

Doesn’t it seem odd to you that his own head coach wouldn’t suggest him for the #1 pick?

Ya, you are missing the point.

I don’t think anyonr was afraid of drafting Rosen because he is a “troublemaker”, they were scared off because he is a jerk. If you are phenomenal QB, you can be a jerk and still lead a successful NFL team. But you have to be great; will Rosen be good enough to overcome this, we will find out.

it sounded "highsmith" had him 5th, at the end of the season. Not sure how he had him come draft day. Also, sounds like Dorsey had Allen higher. I disagree. Wonderlics, just like SAT/LSAT ect., do have a strong correlation to IQ. However, your excuse does sound like something Rosen would say. Also, I live in Newport Beach, so it is actually 95% USC fans...

I too know people who know Josh personally as I live in Orange County and am very close friends with a former bruin (now in the nfl). People don't like him for 2 reasons: 1. If you are dumb, he makes you feel stupid, 2. If you are smart, you realize Rosen isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Look, the wonderlic isn't exactly a direct measurement of intelligence, but it is relevant. I am 100% confident if you asked Rosen before the wonderlic how he would fair against Darnold and Allen, he would assume he would destroy them in any intellectual endeavor....alas he did not. Ultimately, I am not sure how much his likability matters. I think there are a plethora of borderline narcissistic/jerk quarterbacks like Rosen in the league. Some struggle (Cutler and Ryan Leaf) some flourish (Cam Newton and Aaron Rogers.) If Rosen isn't great, his personality will be a huge problem, I guarantee it. If he is a pro-bowler, he will be like Lebron, an egomaniac, but it won't matter.

One thing I think is an interesting exercise is to compare the Quarterbacks vs. Their Backups (assuming they got any meaningful playing time). In some ways, I think this is more valuable than comparing the QB's statistically against each other as so much of stats is affected by system, supporting players, coaching ect." Josh Allen: Passing Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Josh Allen 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 2 Nick Smith 40 74 54.1 471 6.4 5.7 2 2 111.0 Clearly, Josh Allen outperforms his backup (to be expected...)and both had fairly low. Also, this is from Allen's most recent season (his down season). Wyoming was 0-2 with Nick smith and 8-3 with Allen. Josh Rosen: Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Josh Rosen 283 452 62.6 3756 8.3 8.5 26 10 147.0 2 Devon Modster 51 79 64.6 671 8.5 9.5 4 0 152.6 Interesting to see that Devon Modster (who is a good qb in his own right) had slightly better stats than Rosen. However, UCLA did go 1-3 with Modster as a starter and 5-4 with Rosen. Sam Darnold Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Sam Darnold 246 366 67.2 3086 8.4 9.0 31 9 161.1 2 Max Browne 58 93 62.4 507 5.5 4.9 2 2 111.0 This is from Sam's stellar freshman year, as he played nearly all snaps this past year. He outperfoms former #1 H.S. QB recruit Max Browne by a fairly wide margin. Darnold was my #1 QB in the draft (i think Beane's too) and this helps support that. Baker Mayfield Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Baker Mayfield 285 404 70.5 4627 11.5 12.9 43 6 198.9 2 Kyler Murray 18 21 85.7 359 17.1 20.0 3 0 276.5 Obviously a very small sample size as Baker didn't miss much time in his college career. However, every time Murray played he did exceptionally well. Can't help but make you consider if some of Baker's lofty stats have to do with his situation. This exercise would take a lot more consideration, analyzing game logs, considering opponents ect. However, I do think it is interesting that only Josh Allen and Sam Darnold seemed to clearly outperform their backup, albeit Darnold in a more convincing manner.

Ya, reading the tea leaves I think the bills likely had a board of 1. Darnold 2. Allen/mayfield 3. Rosen.