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Not much I can do here if you're unable to comprehend or respond to any of that. You obviously think a rebuild is successful if you're just bad for a while. I guess all of the rebuilds of this century have been successful processes in your eyes.

I have a few times but I can do it again. It's about organizational progress with talent and coaching, development, and instilling systems. 2 years in, nothing is progressing on the offensive side. The talent is horrific, the system is horrific, and the coaching is horrific. Nothing is in place to make this side of the ball successful. This could literally be the worst offense in NFL history. Are we the only team that's gone through a rebuild ever? And this is happening in the era of offense, where the rules have made moving the ball and scoring easier than ever before. You seem to believe that because we're 2-7, the rebuild is working. Not every rebuild is successful, there are plenty of teams that put up a season or 2 of terrible records and their regimes never amount to anything. It's all about what's being done during those rebuilding years. To me, the record doesn't matter, it's about progress on the field. You shouldn't have major deficiencies in all of talent, development, and coaching after 2 years. And really, there's going to be more problems ahead here. A lot of teams have cap space this coming offseason, and those teams need O-line help too. We need 4 legitimate starters on the line still, after this regime has only had the evaluation ability to find 1 in 2 years. We're also going to need skill players at every offensive position, including a WR1. We're also going to need a real offensive coordinator...and nobody with any kind of reputation or other options is going to want to come here if McDermott's still here because he's likely going to be a lame duck next year if he is. For being 2 years in, we are way behind on the most important side of the ball in this game and the outlook to resolve all of these issues isn't pretty. Is that successful to you?

I know what a successful rebuild is. You seem to think that just means you lose, whether you have a direction with football philosophies that are being built and developed along the way or not. I'm guessing if the site let us go back enough, you've had similar defenses and sets of excuses for a bunch of other failed regimes here as well.

The same could have been said about Fisher and Fox with Goff and Trubisky, that they only had 1 year with them. But those organizations could see that those guys had outdated offenses and were not the right guys to develop the young QB's. We're in the same exact boat with McDermott. Yup, it's really a mess with McDermott here. The best thing to do would be to can him and hire a head coach that we can be confident can develop, or at least give Allen the best shot to develop, in a modern offense. There's a difference between being involved and being "intricately" involved in specific play calling. The head coach should have a vision on the style of play that both sides of the ball are going to have. That should be the qualification for a head coach, and the ones who are successful long-term do have that. Successful head coaches are going to go through coaching changes because coordinators are going to get poached from them, but they remain successful because the coordinators are an extension of them. What you're describing is honestly ridiculous, especially the last part. As if the Pegulas should go to McDermott after this year and say, "Hey, don't worry about the offense this year, that's not your primary concern, just keep swinging away at finding an offensive coordinator, maybe 3rd time's the charm. You just do what you do on defense, the offense is on them". The offense does fall directly and primarily on McDermott first. He's the head coach. He needs to know what he wants from the offense and hire the right coach to develop and run it. The fact that he's failed at this twice already and we've lost 2 whole seasons of potential development already is incredibly alarming.

It's because they're failing at the rebuild. Losing doesn't mean you're succeeding at rebuilding. After 2 offseasons, there is absolutely nothing on the offensive side of the ball, the cupboard is completely bare. That is incredibly alarming. The question the organization needs to ask is if these guys are the right guys to trust with the picks and cap space coming up, and most importantly with the development of a young QB. If they're wrong, it could set the organization back for years. The organizational progress is what needs to be looked at during a rebuild, not wins and losses and not any kind of given time frame. You shoudn't just say "well, they deserve 3 years" and then not intricately look at how the rebuild is going along the way. It's that development along the way that will determine whether it's going to be successful or not.

My favorite part of this is the people at the beginning of the thread saying "great move", "upgrade", "shifty and quick". I don't think Isaac McKittrick even exists. Some people will do anything to try to support management.

McDermott scoffs at these "winning" organizations that don't value the faith culture.

What's concerning about that is Beane and McDermott had Benjamin already. They can't even evaluate guys that were on their team.

Quality head coaches understand both sides of the ball and have input everywhere. What you just said just further iterates that he should be a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. And even if you're OK with his only duty for the offensive side of the ball is finding the right person to run it...he's 0-2.

The Bears after 2017 also understood that their head coach and staff obviously weren't good enough to develop the young QB and offense and mold the team into a winner. Will the Bills recognize the same fact about McDermott?

Both the Rams and Bears also identified the fact that their current coaches were failing and weren't the right guys to move forward with developing their young QB's. You very conveniently left that part out.

This guy might be worse than Jauron. Scary stuff.

Great post. And a scary one. Coaching is a big problem that's being excused by many since it's a rebuilding year. A rebuild has to be executed successfully for it to work, and that's all about player and team development. I went into this season saying I didn't care about the record, and I don't. It's all about organizational progression...and we're not seeing any.

I'd rather Peterman play. At least there's an entertainment value there. I don't see what we get at all out of Derek Anderson playing.

I'm not talking about that one play. The o-line is horrendous in general.

Who has he been denied the chance to develop by? This regime. That's really my point here . Was part of step one to get the QB and provide no protection around him for his first year of development? It was either a failure of talent evaluation or being inept in organizational planning. I personally just don't think either bodes well.

I'm not sure how a position can be counted as "addressed" if those players aren't any good. With Allen I'd say they've potentially addressed the QB position, but I agree with your other post that you have to keep drafting and bringing in different QB's every year to see if you can either find a diamond in the rough in case that top pick doesn't pan out or to develop a quality backup. WR I don't agree at all. Benjamin doesn't fight for the ball, I don't see how that would change with better QB play. I don't think he's anywhere close to a WR1, and the way he's played most of this year, not even a WR2. Jones is showing some improvement but not at WR2 level. I think he's a WR3 at best. We need at least one top talent there and another very solid option. TE is a definite need. And we have 1 legit starter on the o-line, we need 4 more. On D we still need a linebacker, an edge rusher, and a corner. And obviously we need depth on both sides of the ball. I can't agree that this is on track after 2 offseasons. That's a lot of holes, and they haven't showed the ability to fill holes with quality, not just literally filling them, at a fast enough pace to think they can even approach all of that in this one coming offseason.

They've been able to find 1 passable starter on the o-line in 2 offseasons...but they're going to find 4 this upcoming one? And they need a whole new set of WR's and TE's. The RB's are OK but Shady and Ivory are probably close to the end and Murphy's OK but not really a starting RB of the future. That's because you're only looking at this from a record standpoint. I don't think that's what a rebuild is all about. To me, it's about development. 2 years in we have absolute zero development on the most important part of a football team in today's league.

I never said 2 years max, in fact multiple times I've said 3 is usually the standard. But even then, it's more about progression. With the way Beane and McDermott accumulated assets to trade up for a franchise QB...they seemed to have some level of understanding of how important that is. And that was the plan for 2 offseasons. But along the way, they decided not to protect that QB or give him anyone to throw to. This is basically going to be a complete year wasted of offensive development because even if Allen does come back, they're just going to continue to run this bland, conservative offense that is not the modern offense that you have to be building towards anyway. THAT'S my problem. This is far and away an offense-first league if you want to be good for an extended period of time...and somehow this regime has put it completely on the backburner. No. The exact opposite.

I don't care at all about 2-6. I'd be happier if we were 0-8 but had some level of decent protection for our rookie QB and at least a couple of weapons and see the development of a real offense. That's where this league is if you want a perennial contender. No team in this league sustains a great defense for a long period of time anymore. It's going to fluctuate. Having a top level QB is the way to become a contender year after year. Nothing being said here is subjective, unless you're arguing that more talent around a rookie QB would somehow be a deterrent. And if you're arguing that, I don't really know what to say.

We're in year 2. How in the world does last season wipe out a year? The job of a new regime when they come aboard is to evaluate and determine the direction of the organization. They did that and decided to rebuild. The team was mediocre, got to 9-7 and with a little luck, made the playoffs. And I gave the regime credit for continuing the rebuild because I agreed that the team was mediocre at best without a high ceiling. There's no point in being mediocre. It was the right thing to do to continue the rebuild. But they haven't amassed the amount of talent they should have after 2 offseasons. We still have the entire offense to go and we need to get younger at a couple of positions on defense. This is at least 2 offseasons of work, maybe more based on the pace that we're on now. In today's NFL, it's a slow pace, and front offices that are slow in this league don't last very long.

If I remember right, your excuse for this regime is that they're trying to lose. Would they then be failing if we pick up some wins in the 2nd half?

So the handling of the QB position for this year would have been fine if he had signed Derek Anderson at the beginning of the year? Anderson stinks. Hire him or someone else as a coach if you want Allen to have a mentor, why waste a spot on a guy who can't play? There should have been either another young QB or a guy they thought could be a long-term backup that could basically audition for the role this year. Having Derek Anderson start games is just throwing them away. They should be using these games during the rebuild so much more wisely. And that's not even touching on the fact that both of them felt and still feel that Peterman is a legit NFL starter/QB2 tweener.

I'm not talking about the record, I've never cared about that for this season. But I think that's what some people think rebuilding is, and that's all it is. There's a development process within rebuilding that the regime should be judged on as they go, they're not successfully rebuilding because we stink. What I wanted to see was organizational progress, and the #1 priority there is the development of the guy they used a lot of assets and draft capital to get...yet we're basically going to lose an entire year of legitimate development for him. How it can be excused that after 2 offseasons with this regime, knowing the franchise QB they picked would be the difference between it being a success or a failure, that we have absolutely no protection or weapons for him? I don't know that he's going to be good even with that, I don't know if he has the accuracy to be a top level QB, but we have to find out as soon as possible. And what faith, not in the McDermott/Peterman way, are we supposed to have that this regime can identify talent on the o-line when after 2 offseasons we have one passable starter? Are we supposed to be confident that they can find 4 before next season? Let alone skill players at almost every single offensive position. The progression during the rebuild is what needs to be looked at, and I think it's alarming how many holes we have after 2 offseasons. A successful rebuild in today's NFL should really happen in 3 years and we're not even close to that. The organizational planning is also very concerning, most notably with obviously how the QB situation was so badly handled this year. When you watch these games from Peterman and Anderson...this is the brainpower and evaluation abilities of Beane and McDermott at work. I don't care about being 2-6 or whatever we end up with. But to basically lose an entire precious year of development on the offensive side of the ball doesn't instill much faith in Beane and McDermott's ability to rebuild.

Who's fault is that? This regime made him a top 2 QB for the organization coming into the year, and not only that, decided he was good enough to be so reliable that he could start and then later on be the primary back up for Allen...fully knowing that the pickings would be incredibly slim on getting anyone half-decent during the season. People are acting like this situation was forced upon this regime. It wasn't. It's happened because of Beane and McDermott's incredible level of failure with the most important position in sports.