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Most regimes, even our past ones, will come up with some quality players they add to the organization. My hesitancy to give them the benefit of the doubt is how bad the offensive system has been and the complete butchery of management of the QB position. The make or break will obviously be how/if Josh Allen develops, because none of this will matter if he doesn't turn out to be the real deal. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this is the coaching staff that can develop a legitimate top quality franchise QB.

We've also been blown out quite a bit on McDermott's watch though. They were fired up yesterdasy, but we definitely haven't seen that consistently. We've had our games where we looked like the Jets did yesterday. That's so vague though. This isn't necessarily about McD and Beane, but I ask this because I see general statements like this being made all the time. Do you think a regime should get a certain allotment of time no matter how the rebuilding process is progressing? Even if it's not going well, there should be a standard minimum set of years just given to them simply because it's labeled a rebuild?

I think he could be a depth WR, which we need. Too early to say he's possibly a viable #3.

I conceptually liked what Barkley did yesterday, but even that wasn't necessarily a great exhibition of throwing. He threw some nice balls, some 50/50 balls, and a couple that probably should have been picks but given the situations we were in, I really wouldn't have minded even if they had been INT's. The 2 big things he did was make a concerted effort to throw the ball downfield and give our WR's the opportunities to make plays. I hope McDermott and Daboll don't try to beat that out of him. The rules in the NFL make those kinds of plays favorable, even if you don't have great WR's. You have to try to take advantage. We also have to try to develop at least a couple of these WR's. Give them some shots. Ultimately though, I still think talent-wise that the guy's potential is as a solid backup. Even that we have to see if he can do something similar to this more often, but not at the price of sitting Allen down. I'm sure if he sticks around, some opportunities to start here and there will still come up. From purely a stats perspective, yes. But I still would've liked his mindset from the beginning of pushing the ball downfield. One of those drops was on 3rd and 10 that he threw from what I believe was our 40 to around their 20 on 3rd and 10. I don't really mind taking chances like that, it's most likely going to end up being somewhat similar to a punt anyway.

I won't use it to say whether he's a good human being or not...but I definitely have questions as to whether Peterman is a good teammate or not. That Hail Mary play last week where he took off running out of bounds was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen in the NFL. Did he think someone was going to be wide open on that play? There's a reason why it's called a Hail Mary. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's smarter than that. However...that lends to the very good possibility that he didn't want to risk another interception being on his stat sheet. That he didn't want to risk having an interception in his name even if the reward could have been helping out his team, no matter how small the percentage was for that to happen. That doesn't sound like a very good teammate. Really, it doesn't even sound like the Christian thing to do.

This here is pretty much the problem and why threads like this exist. If someone shares a thought of yours, it's just their opinion and they are apparently entitled to it without question. If they don't, they need to "stop creating problems". This was a civil post that simply brought up a topic and asked the question. Take a look in the mirror if you need to see someone who needs to grow up.

Very well put, and I totally agree that it's a combination of all of those things. But I think people confuse the part of that being off-putting with being "atheists" or for hating on people who are religious, when to me that's not it at all. It's more of taking a shot at that bias that's being showed to someone when they're seen as one of their own. I mentioned earlier in this post that when Robert Foster was dropping balls for the majority of his time here before yesterday and when Phillip Gaines was getting torched, there was no rush to their defense by people trying to point out any character attributes. But it's there in almost every single Peterman thread.

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying... But if you do a lot of work in the community with charitable organizations...you're doing something to earn that label of being a good person. I think the question here is does being religious automatically earn that label for some people? You hear around here all the time about how good a person Peterman is. We don't really hear that for other players who have struggled. I didn't hear it about Robert Foster earlier this season, or Phillip Gaines. I will also correlate this with being white...but that good guy label seems to be thrown around pretty easily if you're outspoken about religion.

Nobody's saying they aren't allowed to. What's being questioned is if there is a societal bias towards those that do. He's white and Christian, that'll go a long way with a lot of people. I've thought for a while now that this is a big reason why Peterman's still here. Even though you can point to cold, hard facts about there being absolutely no other reason why he's survived this long on the team, many here will just try to brush it off.

I like that he wanted to throw the ball downfield, we've just had so little of that for so long. Even a couple he had that were almost picked, I really didn't have a problem with. Interceptions happen sometimes when you let it rip. One in particular was on 3rd and 10 from I believe our 40 and he threw one to around the 20 that the Jets defender dropped. I'm cool with that even if it's picked, it's basically a punt. He took some chances and gave our WR's some opportunities to make plays. This is how we should always be playing, especially in a developmental season like this.

Allen. Barkley has the potential to be a solid backup but that's what he is. We're really not going to get anything out of him starting games.

Haha, this is what I was thinking. The fact that he hasn't been around McDermott and Daboll could've actually been very beneficial. Hopefully they won't ruin him and he can become a serviceable backup.

Tough to differentiate when it comes to snake oil salesmen.

This could be the truth, especially if the defensive minded head coach who knows nothing about offense isn't even good at evaluating and selecting the right offensive coordinator, which McDermott is already 0-for-2 at. I don't mind a defensive minded head coach if he has somewhat of a handle on the offense and can hire the right OC to carry out his vision. I know people put up numbers about how teams led by great defenses can still win a superbowl...however, what's being left out is it is very difficult to keep an elite defense together for multiple years. Your best shot at having a team that is a perennial contender is developing a franchise QB. And I think that's the biggest question that needs to be asked of McDermott...is he the right head coach to develop one? To me that's an emphatic no, starting with him and the horrible OC's he's hired.

I understand the argument and I've always said it's incredibly insane to think a college team could beat a pro team in any sport. I think this is more about the huge amount they'd have to cover. With McDermott, Daboll, and especially Peterman...I'm really not sure we'd score enough to win by 29.

I'd take the points for Bama if Petermans starting. The Bills would easily win, but I'm still not sure we'd put up over 30 points.

Maybe their fans will be as forgiving to him as ours were and clamor for him to stay after he fails for 4 years.

TKO was an absolute animal. He was unfortunately never the same after the torn ACL. Just never got that explosiveness back.

There have been numerous coordinators for both Belichick and Saban who have failed elsewhere. Some guys are good assistant coaches simply because they're good at being an extension of the head coach if that's what's asked of them. I don't know if this offense is an extension of what McDermott wants or if it's all Daboll. The latter would concern me because I don't think that has the makings of a successful system, because a head coach should be involved with all aspects of the team. The first part would also concern me because this might just be the offense no matter who the OC is if this is what McDermott believes in. Both years here we've seen a bland, extremely conservative, uncreative brand of offense, and the constant has been McDermott. It's really not looking good either way if he/they are coming back, unfortunately.

Me too. And how sad is that? That a top 5 Bills moment for us and probably so many, at least amongst the younger part of the fanbase, was game 1 of what ultimately was a 6-10 meaningless season.

It'll probably be something similar to that. We basically have the same coach now as we did in '09.

I heard Tedy Bruschi talk about this once, and the way he described it is Belichick instills a lot of changes every single offseason, and there's a lot of experimenting that goes on with different personnel and packages early in the season. He says it's not at all that they aren't prepared physically or mentally for the beginning of the season, but the reason they get better as the season goes along is they're mastering the different things that have been incorporated and finding the right players for certain packages and plays. He said some teams don't change that much from one year to the next, and they're usually the ones that don't get better as the season goes along and that some teams that do just don't have a head coach as good as Belichick to smooth out all the wrinkles. In that specific scenario, the Bills D was getting to Brady quite a bit in that game and the Bills had good protection up front and Bledsoe hit some passes that he pretty much didn't for the majority of the rest of that year. I unfortunately have a feeling McDermott, like his long lost Uncle Jauron, is one of those that what you see is pretty much what you get.

I don't think you did play out the worst case scenario though. The worst case scenario to me is we keep McBeane, they continue to fail at building an offense and either keep Daboll or go 0-3 at picking offensive coordinators, and spend a big chunk of cap space on players that aren't very good. I wouldn't keep McDermott. Through 2 different offensive coordinators, we've seen his brand of offense. And it's horrific. I know people love to deflect that from him but he's the head coach, the OC's are an extension of him. Keeping him past this season could set this organization back for years. I don't necessarily mind having a "defensive minded" head coach, but they have to be able to have some kind of handle on the offense and be able to hire the right fits at OC. He's been disgustingly bad at both.

Ugh, please don't be Derek Anderson vs Josh McCown. There is literally no reason whatsoever to watch that.

I doubt this is true. I'd have to see more confirmation on it. I felt bad for Peterman until the run on the Hail Mary. That was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen. He is bringing a good chunk of the criticism onto himself. There was an extreme where people were blaming him for everything, and now there's an extreme where people are absolving him of everything. The truth, as it is most of the time, is somewhere in the middle. While I don't think that whole throwing food at Peterman thing was real, I do think fans go way too far. I love the debates and everything on here but there are people that actually let this effect their real lives and that's kind of sad. I enjoy my Bills football time every Sunday at one of the Bills bars in Chicago with my crews, even though we're horrible and I think this coaching staff and Beane aren't the right people for this. Most of our fanbase are good people and the camaraderie is awesome.