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If Allen is the real deal, we'll get to a big game. That's the magic of a franchise QB. The goal should be the Superbowl though. I know 9-7 with a one and done playoff year goes a long way here, but I don't really care about that. It's more big picture for me. That's a short-sighted way to look at it. Does that mean nothing needs improvement if you have a winning record? And yes, I would still have issues with the way he manages the game if we had won yesterday, because bad game management is still a negative over the long haul.

It's tough to see that, for sure. Can you imagine him in a couple of the spots Pederson was in during the Superbowl? Probably takes a FG instead of Philly Philly, and punts at midfield at 4th on their last drive.

I trust Foster more than I do Zay. I think he's at best a #3, a decent slot receiver. Not all throws are going to hit receivers in the numbers and yes every QB is going to have some drops from players, but when I watch other games, I see quality players including rookies and 2nd year players make catches that ours routinely can't, and that includes Zay.

What does that have to do with his horrific game management skills? We've seen good, competitive teams get sunk by poor game management. I wouldn't have cared if we lost the last 2 weeks if McDermott had put this team in the best position to succeed. He didn't. We're not a playoff team either way, but it's still a problem going forward. That's something that can hurt you even if you have a good team.

If Allen turns out to be the real deal, which it looks like he could...we will be soon enough. Anytime you have a legit franchise QB, you're going to win some games. I'm not sure the team will be put in the best position to win if it happens though.

If your standard for a legitimate starting NFL WR is that they can't be expected to make plays that people on this forum can't...it's going to be incredibly easy for them to fill those spots. We won't win at all with guys like that, but they'll surely pass your test. Pretty low intellect stuff there.

McDermott's game management is EXTREMELY conservative. He didn't want to go for it on the Jets 36 when we had an injured kicker and then we ran it twice on the 2nd to last drive in a tie game from the Jets 23 and gave Allen 1 play. He was coaching for a FG. And as others mentioned here, he was waving furiously at the refs to run the clock when the Jets were in our territory down 3 with 2 timeouts...we didn't need the clock to run there, we needed it to stop to have more time on our possession as the Jets were very likely to either tie or take the lead there. Everything he does in his game management is about just trying to keep the game close, he doesn't go for the throat to win the game.

He knows what's being called, and if he doesn't...that's a problem in it of itself. Coordinators operate under the head coach's philosophy and influence, they are an extension of what the head coach wants.

You would think...but the problem with that thinking is Allen was good enough to win that game yesterday, and we still saw the same McD. It looks like this is just who he is, and it's a problem.

That's a pattern with McDermott. He's probably hoping for a missed FG there instead of thinking about the fact that the Jets are most likely to tie or take the lead, and that we're the ones who need the clock to stop for our last possession. He does that all the time, whether it's at the end of the first half or end of the game. Zero situational awareness whatsoever.

I was talking about this after I saw the Hauschka cheap shot, but someone mentioned he had a cheap shot of his own, I haven't seen that play yet. But in general...the biggest example being last year with Gronk on Tre White, which is one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in my life...this team does not stand up to players when things like that happen. I'm still mad about that one and I'm not usually one to care much about things that happened in the past.

McDermott. I won't say that we would have won if not for him, but coaching to keep it close instead of winning is not going to work most of the time in this league. Also it was his decision to keep Crossman, and the special teams unit is ultimately still under his umbrella as a head coach...it's still McDermott's responsibility.

Oh I didn't see that, was it on the same play?

Jenkins didn’t hold back when describing Buffalo’s rookie quarterback in the wake of the Jets’ 27-23 win. “He can throw the ball far… maybe not accurate,” Jenkins told two reporters in the winning locker room. “I don’t really like that guy. That guy was talking trash out there. Personally, I couldn’t care less about that guy.” “He was feeling himself,” Jenkins said. “He was talking trash out there today.” “He’s a good quarterback,” Jenkins said. “He’s good on his feet. He’s a definite threat running the ball.” Those were the quotes on Allen. I don't care about that part, trash talk is part of the game.

That's probably fair if that's how it happened, I don't know if the way he described it is exactly how it happened, but it would be dirty if it is. But if he's bringing up dirty...gotta mention Henry Anderson too. That was a punk move, for lack of being able to use other choice words.

I'm optimistic because of Allen. I'm scared because of McDermott.

What bothers me though is he was already good enough to win yesterday's game. That loss would sit perfectly fine with me if I felt like he had gotten those extra opportunities to make a play and wasn't able to. I don't care about that last INT on the last drive, things like that will happen to a young QB when they try to force it in that spot. But coaching for a FG twice there is tough to deal with.

It's that too. The penalties have been a huge problem. But the situational awareness, game and clock management, and conservativeness are the biggest concerns for me. We see things like that sink teams in big games all the time.

It is incredibly frustrating. I didn't mind the gimmick play, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. But the long FG with an injured kicker and the 2 runs on the second to last drive when Allen was pushing the ball really bothered me. He was playing for the FG, as he always does. This is not a coach that has the killer instinct to go for the throat. There is so much Jauron on him, it's scary.

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game.

Haha that game was so embarrassing. Bledsoe was a joke that day.

This whole thing is taken so incredibly far out of context. What myself and people had been saying before we drafted Allen is it's great to have an awesome defense...but it's not sustainable for long-term success if that's what you're building around without a franchise QB. It's incredibly tough to keep an elite defense for a prolonged amount of time, sometimes it doesn't even last more than a couple of years. On the other hand...having a franchise QB can make you a perennial force. It is way easier to build a SB contending team long-term than it is if you build around a defense. The Bears window with the defense is probably a couple of seasons, but they're going to start losing players. At that point when their defense comes down a level, they're going to have to depend on Trubisky or whoever the QB is to be running a pretty competent offense to compliment what will still probably be a good, but not great unit anymore. There isn't a death of defenses...they just offer you a much smaller window than if you have a great offense led by a star QB. McDermott's problem isn't that he's a defensive minded coach...it's that he's a horrific game manager and is way too conservative. He coaches to keep it close, not to win.

If we get a top pick and a top edge rusher is on the board, I'd go for it. I think the D needs one. I don't think that compromises building the offense and I wouldn't let an elite talent go just because it's not our most glaring need.

I feel like you don't read posts before you actually reply. I literally said I want to get 2 proven O-lineman AND a couple in the draft. Proven would mean through FA/trade, and then supplement that with a couple of draft picks as well. I don't know how that turns into me wanting to find a proven player in the draft.

It's not about the quantity. I want at least 2 proven guys to be brought in for next year, and at least a couple guys in the draft. You don't know that any of those draft picks are going to be good, and we can't have another season like this where the offense and a possible franchise QB is so derailed by a trash O-line. Right now we only have one legitimate starter in Dawkins, Teller we still have to see more of. I don't honestly know if anyone else is even worth keeping as depth, that's how bad they are. I want to see how Allen progresses when he actually has a legitimate NFL offensive line in front of him and right now we're not even close.