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The example was just to illustrate that a decision isn't necessarily the right one because of how it turns out. I was actually defending it when someone said we shouldn't have gone for one of those 4th downs yesterday, but I thought McD made the right calls on them yesterday, even if one didn't work out. Nothing's ever going to be foolproof, but I think we'll be much more successful going forward if we're aggressive like that in those situations instead of coaching scared. I would personally disagree that he's a top coach though. Just making the playoffs isn't a huge accomplishment if you have a top echelon QB. I don't think Mike McCarthy's a top flight head coach even though he's made the playoffs for most of his career, he's had Favre and Rodgers for most of it. But I know he's not going anywhere, so hopefully we can win it all with him. The good news is you can win a Superbowl without a top flight head coach. It makes it tougher but It's happened plenty of times.

No, it doesn’t necessarily. Lets say for instance we have the ball on the opposing team’s 15, down 2, 3 seconds to go. No injuries to Bass or anything. For no real logical reason McD decides to go for it instead of kicking the field goal, and we get the touchdown. I don’t think that makes it the right call, it’s not what I’d want to see called going forward in that same situation just because it worked. Similarly, if one of McD’s attempts to go for it on 4th yesterday didn’t work out, I wouldn’t all of a sudden say it was the wrong call. You can make the right decision for your team and have it not work out, and you can make the wrong one and have it work out. But if you make the right ones consistently, you’ll probably have more success overall long-term.

That awareness is what it's really all about though. I'm not a huge BB guy or anything and I think having a QB is the most important part that's going to determine any coach's record long-term...but those are the in-game things the coach does have control over. That's the same kind of recognition McD should've had in the AFC championship game last year and should've went for it on those 4th and shorts while KC was torching us on the other end. May not have changed the outcome but you gotta give your team a shot. This is the beauty of unleashing Allen though, especially if we can get him more protection. He can be absolutely lethal. The opportunity to be SB contenders long-term is there if the front office and coaches do their part.

I don't think that game necessarily had something to do with Belichick being in McD's head...I just thought it was a horribly coached game by McD and the staff. If anything I think yesterday's game supports that. Josh could throw through that wind and we didn't unleash him until late. He can own their D if we let him. McD's two horrible timeouts in the 2nd half didn't help us either. I didn't think Belichick did anything "genius" in that game...he really just let our coach lose it.

Totally disagree. The very possession before that, the Pats marched down the field and scored with relative ease. If we kick a FG there, they also had enough time to run and dink and dunk their way to another score. We only really got them out of their comfort zone when we scored that TD to make it a 2 score game with 4 minutes left or whatever it was and made them try to throw downfield. Also it's 4th and 1, you gotta trust your best player to win the game there. Yeah it doesn't always work out, nothing always does, but for our team I'll take my chances with #17 over our defense any day.

One of the best things that will come out of winning the division if we can close it out is we can finally put that game to bed. At that point it won't matter as much anymore. It's still really hard to fathom that we lost that game and I would've hated if it ended up affecting the season.

Allen is for sure. No on McD, Belichick just outcoached him 3 weeks ago to win a game they shouldn't have won. If anything, this game showed we should have won that game with competent coaching. He did the Pats a huge favor in that game by not unleashing Josh until late.

This is for the most part so incredibly untrue though. Yes there are people who live in hindsight and will complain no matter what if things go wrong, but there are so many that understand that the right call doesn't always mean a successful outcome individually, it just means over time, the team will benefit from consistently making the right decisions. To give you an example, I am not a McD guy, but I was here totally defending him for the call to go for it at the end of the Titans game. I hated the playcall because we never, ever get push on those QB sneaks up the middle as we saw yesterday even on a good day, and McD is part of that decision, but the decision in of itself to go for it was 100% the right one and I'd want us to do it again if that situation arises again. Regardless, its not about the individual people who complain. It's just about making the right decision. Going for it there on 4th and 1 after our D just pretty easily gave up a TD on the last possession, with Josh playing the way he was, was the right move whether he juked Jaime Collins to get the 1st down or not. When the chips are down, you go to your best. We didn't do that in the AFC Championship last year and that was with our D getting slashed. I don't think we would have won the game anyway but I don't feel at all that McD gave this team the best opportunity to win that game. And you just can't afford for your head coach to do that, especially in the playoffs. The main point is the outcome does not determine whether it was the right decision or not. If you're down by 2 and you have the ball at the opposing 20 with 3 seconds left and you go for the FG, is it the wrong call if you miss? No. Same as if that coach decided to go with a fake FG and ends up getting the TD, I don't think that was the right call unless the kicker was hurt or something. So yes, you can judge a coach by their decision-making regardless of the outcome.

You mean with no Superbowl wins? Levy notoriously coached tight in those games, the same complaint as many of us have had about McD in the majority of his big games. With a QB like Josh, we SHOULD be in the playoffs annually, as most elite QBs are. Looking at that solely as an accomplishment vs Dick Jauron having Trent Edwards or something is setting the bar so incredibly low. We have a franchise top 5 QB now, the bar is at winning a Superbowl, and that's where McD should be judged and determining if he's the guy that can do that.

Yup I thought Daboll was pretty good today overall. McD…I liked that we went for it as much as we did…but a lot of that is football today and he’s just been behind. I also thought he once again called a brutally bad timeout in the 2nd half and I didn’t like giving up the possession at the end of the first half. Thankfully today those things didn’t end up hurting us but we’ve seen in the past how it can. I don’t know who’s call it was, most likely McD’s, but benching/deactivating McKenzie was stupid from the start. I’m glad we kind of lucked into him getting this opportunity today.

Maybe McD trusts his hands now? We shouldn’t need to back into something like this but I’m glad we did. Hopefully Dirty will keep showing him up!

I don’t think so. I think what the camera got was after the handshake as they had both started walking.

Allen McKenzie O-line The D was OK...however...I had no confidence whatsoever that we were going to come up with the big stop if Josh didn't make those plays and lead us to a TD on our last drive. I really felt like the offense had to close it out, which Allen and McKenzie did!

Totally agree, Josh was so poised, confident, and controlled in this game and made huge plays in huge moments. Best game as a Bill.

Because we get absolutely no push on them. It’s been going on for years. What a play by Josh on 4th tho

WHY DO WE RUN QB SNEAKS

Still don’t trust McKenzies hands, McD???

It’s up to Josh here, I have no faith this D can grab a stop with the Pats in 4 down mode here on out

It crossed the plane before he fumbled unfortunately

Josh is gonna have to close this out. I don’t think the D can come up with the big stop.

To me…Josh’s best game of the season. He may have other better games statistically, but the poise on this stage with what’s on the line and after drops and some momentum going against him…he’s been fantastic!

McD’s still such an amateur in terms of game management. You absolutely can not burn a timeout there. So incredibly stupid.

Horrible TO by McD, good Lord

Gotta hope those drops don’t come back to get us

Why do we need to get to the break? They were the team reeling right there. Pedal to the metal. We also have #17, it doesn’t matter a ton that we’re at our 10.