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Oh yeah, for sure this is personal. Even if someone is pro-Trump, I'm sure they could admit he did Christie dirty, no matter what they think of him. I don't think Chris is doing this as some kind of favor to DeSantis, this is just purely for revenge. I'm not sure he has enough clout anymore to get that revenge but he's at the stage where he doesn't care, he's willing to torpedo himself just for the opportunity.

One can also celebrate Pride while disapproving the wrongdoing of corrupt individuals within that circle. It's the same exact thing. What I put in bold is purely your opinion, nothing else. Catholic doctrine also says it's wrong to simply be homosexual. That's not rooted in any kind of fact and it's led to decades of horrific treatment of people that are gay and even really harmful and disturbing practices like conversion therapy. I can poke just as many holes there as you could in the Pride movement or circle or whatever you want to call it. The whole thing behind the Pride flag was during the many years where homosexuals were treated poorly and unfairly in our country and didn't have the rights to get married or for some, adopt children. For a pretty big percentage of people who are gay, that flag symbolizes the fight and freedom they now have to do those things and how far they have come. But again, that does not mean anyone who waves a Pride flag or wears a shirt or whatever is pro-sexualizing children, just like I don't believe any Catholic who still goes to the Catholic church is pro-child molestation. You want to lump in everyone on one side and be nuanced on the other, how is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?

Because you want conservative voices to be weighted, that's not democratic at all. There's nothing democratic about the electoral college, it actually gives the individual Conservative more of a weighted vote than anyone else. It should be the popular vote through a Ranked Choice system, that would actually be the most fair way to do this.

The Catholic Church LITERALLY protects and has Priests on income to this day that they know for a FACT have sexually abused children...yet how many Catholics still attend those churches and still pronounce themselves as Catholic? It's no different whatsoever. I'm actually consistent, I will call out both sides. You have selective outrage that's fueled by politics because you are on your knees for one side. Would you even debate that? If we went through your history, what would the overwhelming pattern look like of the people and media sources that you post? My point isn't even that people that are simply Catholic are responsible or should wear the burden of what happened to those kids, but I also feel the same way about people who are just gay or trans and have nothing to do with sexualizing children and whom the Pride flag means something completely different. The origins of the Pride flag were not what you are describing so it's not even like that's some kind of irrational take. I wouldn't judge everyone who wears a gothic Catholic cross the way you probably would anyone who wears a Pride flag patch or whatever it is.

The Catholic Church literally to this day protects Priests that have molested children and even has some of them on income, literally right now as we speak. It's not different at all. He's lumping in anyone who has a different take on the Pride flag and wave it, which most people do, because of the corrupt small extremist amount yet he does the same exact thing with Catholicism. It's 100% hypocrisy.

There's a reason why Ranked-Choice voting is discouraged by both parties...because it would be the best thing for this country

Walsh is a guy that admonishes anyone who waves a Pride flag or is homosexual at all even in their private lives...yet believes it's totally fine for him to promote and adorn Catholicism no matter how many children they sexually abuse. Maybe try to find a better source.

Well yeah I didn't mean having those types of studies/discussions for elementary/middle school. Possibly upper High School like Juniors or Seniors and then college? I agree with you on that, we'd have to be careful as far as that goes because it can certainly lead into instruction.

He's entering just to troll, he's basically admitted that. I kind of respect it.

Sure, I agree about philosophy and more broad religious studies. I'm fine with learning about religions and having objective, open and honest discussions about them. It's the indoctrination part I'm against. Just like I think it's totally fine to learn about how people who were homosexual for the longest time here were not treated very well and weren't given the same rights as the rest of us, including their own religious freedoms. That's also different from indoctrination. Maybe I'm too optimistic...but I do think the majority of people would probably agree on this stuff if they were able to shut out the extremists on both ends that pushes them to throw stones at each other instead of making some really simple beneficial compromises.

We're in pretty solid times when people have to reach this hard to find something to be outraged about.

I'm OK with this as long as it is consistent across the board. One of my issues is the side that is saying this right now is the side that for so long and many STILL do are pushing for Christianity/Bible studies into curriculums. It's hypocritical. If you're saying lets keep all of these ideologies out of the school...I'm all for that.

The Pride flag is not some kind of slight to the American flag, that's the strawman you are building on your own. The Pride flag was also created back in the 70's when Americans who were gay were not allowed to get married. I love our country, but you do understand that like every other country, we haven't gotten everything correct, right? That flag has not always represented the same freedom for all of our people. But I still don't see it as a slight or anti-American from most Pride-related groups. I'm sure you can find a couple, those extremists exist as they do for literally any group of people. I just don't make it a habit of passing judgement on those groups for the small number of extremists that exist within them. The other thing is, which I'm sure you're aware of because you do the same thing...the Gays Against Groomers group have a political agenda. Their founders are far right Ultra Maga QAnon-related whackjobs. It's not some grassroots morality-driven group of people that are purely after "groomers" to save the children. Do I agree we should be against that extreme minority that actually wants to sexualize or groom children? Absolutely. But that is not this group's #1 agenda. And you're no different. If I went back into the history of your posts or your small handful of buddies that overrun this section with retweets from far right Conservative media...I'm sure we'd find either very little or nothing at all about the sexualization of children that happens from the other side. I'm betting when news broke out about almost 700 kids that were sexually abused by Catholic priests in Baltimore a few months ago, either very little or most likely nothing at all was brought up by you or those people here. If news broke that 700 kids were influenced to have some kind of trans surgery...are you denying that there would be probably multiple threads, hundreds of posts about that here from the same people like yourself who are obsessed with LGBTQ+? Why is that? Why is it that the transgressions of the side of the Conservative/Christian/Catholic/religious gets a blind eye? Because there is ZERO part of you that actually cares about the kids whom all of this horrible stuff happens to. This is 100% political for you. And that's so incredibly sad. This is why I will never choose a side of Democrat or Republican. There's this price that people like you seem to pay of selling your soul to one side that is so hard to fathom. Conservatives love to complain that this is what liberal media does...and they are actually right about that...but they and people like you do the SAME. EXACT. THING. I agree with that...but don't religious people like Christians do the same thing with indoctrinating their kids as young as 2 years old? I do agree the country would be in a much better place if kids weren't being groomed and were taught the facts about everything across the board instead of ideologies and fairytales.

Haha don't look at the Politics page on this site then. Although it's a very small number of homophobic people that have overrun that section, it's pretty disturbing as well.

It’s not a trans argument, which is what people like you always try to turn it into. I agree about biology, but I also see the other side where biology can’t prove Jesus was the son of God that came from an immaculate conception or that we have souls that will be damned for eternity if we decide to be gay but it’s totally cool for those things to be “shoved down our throats”. I’d be down if both sides agreed to stop pushing their fairytales. Not everyone agrees with those 1 and 2 you have and I don’t even think a majority does, the small extreme group is a loud one. Just like the MAGA groups. I don’t believe most Trump voters are like that. And I don’t think most Catholics are OK with child molestation…but he goes to the Catholic Church and wears their gear even if he says he doesn’t agree with that…but he says anyone who flies a Pride flag is associated with whatever portion of that population is on that dark extreme. Can’t have it both ways.

So you get it then...he thinks that flying the Pride flag or participating in a Pride events means you have bowed down to the extreme trans movement even if you don't agree with any of that...yet he can adorn anything he wants to with Catholicism and go to that church that literally right now as we speak is protecting child molesters and that's OK. If you don't believe me you can just type Matt Walsh Pride Flag in a Youtube search. How is this not the very definition of hypocrisy?

I'm not a Dem, and yes that's one of the reasons why. These same Democrats who now say they are for same sex marriage were not when it was not the popular thing to say. It's not genuine. The problem with what you're saying is yes, a lot of people covered up that they were gay because of what the reactions would be. What it could mean for their careers. And they weren't even allowed to get married. Many weren't able to adopt children. Many weren't or wouldn't have been welcomed at their Church if they came out publicly. These weren't things that didn't matter. Right now the people who are still against those things are the more extreme right win nutjobs. I don't think even most Conservatives feel that way anymore. But that's a lot of what that rainbow flag is all about, is the freedom from all of that. I agree, as I have said many times, about the extreme trans movement and that it's incredibly wrong to target children and yes I do think it can be anti-woman. I always agreed that a trans dude should not be able to play women's sports for example. There are plenty of people that are homosexual that feel the same exact way, as do many of the Churches that fly rainbow flags. That was my point about putting people in boxes.

What does that even mean when you say of all places Chick-Fil-A or Hobby Lobby? Like they're a gold standard of some kind? The Chick-Fil-A owners have literally donated millions to groups to try to rally against same-sex marriage being legal in our country...they literally want less rights for people who they think differently than. Hobby Lobby's owner pushed a Bible themed curriculum on public schools...which is absolutely an attempt at indoctrination. I would say the same thing to that as you are about pushing trans indoctrination...stay the hell away from our kids! But you only see that one way because you agree with the other side. So you aren't actually against indoctrination...you're just against it when it doesn't fit your personal agenda. Also, not all DEI is bad. The extremes that try to instill quotas for populations within their jobs are. But some of those programs are genuinely trying to move the Start line, not the Finish line. I worked for a company who one of their main DEI initiatives was an outreach program to juvenile detention centers where we donated time and resources to help those kids get on track for certain jobs and kept in touch with them to try to help them get those jobs whether it was with us or other companies. They still had to do all the work and they still had to be the best person in the interview pool, but the company tried to help them get there. That's just one example, but there are solid programs that come out of DEI. And that last part is just nonsense, blaming DEI for somehow ceding our standing as a country rooted in the family is a mountain of a jump, especially when so many on that side doesn't even want people that happen to be different than them to even have a family.

Again this is you putting people in a box. Just because a Church is flying a rainbow flag doesn't mean it's targeting children. Some may be, but not all, just like I don't think every Church is into molesting children because some other ones are. You do realize that the Churches, basically in any religion, and businesses and people in general were horrible to people who were gay for the longest time right, like hundreds of years? For so many Churches or businesses flying that flag is symbolic that their church or business is accepting to people who have a different sexual orientation, it's that simple. Most people see that flag as a celebration that people that are gay are no longer vilified as much, although obviously as we can see here they still are. When you say that you are coming off as a total Right Wing nutjob. You are using the extremes to judge everyone else. That's what your master, which is probably Conservative media, wants you to do just like the majority of MSM wants to do to Liberals.

YES! It is! I am one of those. But here's the hypocrisy behind it...the people that are condemning the out of control extreme trans movement are trying to hit them at the top...which is totally fine. But where was that for the Church whether it's Christian or Catholic? Look at some of the leaders of these movements like Matt Walsh. I don't know you so I'm not saying you are a follower of his or anything but I'm giving an example...that guy rails against this targeting of children from this trans movement but is a dyed in the wool Catholic who embraces and heavily supports his Catholic Church Establishment that have targeted children for hundreds of years and TO THIS DAY protects, hides, and pays those Priests! I just don't understand how people don't see this. That's why it's selective outrage. I don't have as much of a problem with your No. 2 because doesn't Christianity get pushed in our faces all the time? And some of that is an exaggeration. People were mad that some famous magazine had a photo of Harry Styles in a woman's gown. Who cares? If you don't like it, don't read it.

Mask off as what, exactly? I don't have a hypocritical take here. You think the Dodgers shouldn't have this LGBTQ+ group because they mock Christianity while Christianity mocks them routinely and even pushes for their marital rights to be taken away even to this day. Why is that OK and the other side isn't? I'm willing to see the hypocrisy and fault on both ends, you aren't. And how are your cultural values being targeted nonstop? I don't see the targeting or "grooming" of children as an attack on your personal cultural values, I think that's the values of anyone who is sane. There is a high level of victimhood when it comes to that on both sides. For the hard left extreme LGBTQ+ it's for everyone who doesn't agree with them on everything...and not surprisingly...it's the same exact thing for everyone on the hard extreme Right. Exactly what values are you not being allowed to have in our current society?

You don't find nuance because you are trying to put me in a box because you are so entangled into this one side vs the other nonsense and you are oversimplifying something that is far more complex. I've said many times that I don't like indoctrination of anything resembling religion, which I do agree that for the extremists which I believe are a small but loud percentage of the LGBTQ+ side as I think is the case for most things, and I am not in favor of pushing anything like that on any children. I don't want to create more of something that is incredibly tough to deal with on anyone. But you are way oversimplifying it when you are calling it a temporary confusion of a growing body...that might be some of them...but for some people this never goes away. That's like going back to the "just pray the gay away!" garbage. People who say those things will take some personal anecdotes about people who used to be gay and were "saved" from it or in this case the kids who also had things change and actually turn the tables on the kids who are actually suffering from this and make it their fault because why can't they just get over it like the other ones? The reality is that there may not be a "cure" to this and some people struggle with it their whole lives and some people do transition because of it. I don't disagree with what you're saying some of the big pharma and corporations are trying to do, but make no mistake, it's the same exact thing that churches and corporations on the other side are trying to do. For example on the Conservative side, they are against natural psychedelic medication like shrooms or MDMA that there has been incredible research on, especially for PTSD and for active and ex-military. Why? Because there's no money in it. Those medications are not designed to keep you hooked like all the man-made medications are and actually help people get off of the ones they have been attached to. This is what I think the bigger problem is, people choose a side and will turn a blind eye to what "their" side does and that's why these things largely continue. And that's what both sides want. They are both in bed with Big Money. And the priority is just the outrage itself. Look at this exact thread that we're in...Chik-Fil-A didn't even do anything like target children. Reading their statement, I'm not even sure I understand what the anger is about. They're being lumped in with extreme takes...which is what a lot of what you are doing is.

Christian groups, ESPECIALLY Catholic groups never mock LGBTQ+??? They do it all the time. And talk about targeting children...the Catholic church LITERALLY to this day is protecting Priests that molested young boys, some of them are still even on INCOME! Where's the outrage there? Yours, like most people, is selective. Cult-like religious group that shuffles Priests around and sends them overseas past jurisdiction and hides them and pays them...OK...but put a Trans dude on a beer can and this CANNOT STAND!!!

That's too broad for me to answer like that. If you're talking about the small number of extremists that are actually trying to groom or encourage surgeries at young ages, yes. There are some that are simply saying that it's OK to be gay if that's what you are or even acknowledge you could have something like gender dysphoria and want to offer resources. I don't want to get too far into it but I believe you can think two things at the same time. I don't like the idea of kids getting permanent type surgeries...but I also have a lot of empathy for kids that have gender dysphoria and I understand it's a lot easier to say "just wait a decade or two for when you're an adult" when they are going through the kind of mental and possibly physical anguish that they are. I don't think there are perfect answers for some of this stuff, it's really complex. I want for us to do everything we can to help a child cope with this until they are older but honestly am not sure if making certain things "illegal" is the answer either. I certainly wouldn't push for a kid to have an impactful surgery though. But the extreme indoctrination I'm against I believe is the same as religious indoctrination. Both are brainwashing. Both can be destructive. I don't think the hardcore Christians in theory are any different than these people that they are complaining about.

Who isn't "allowing" you or anyone else to speak out against anything? There's so much victimhood over this. There is social media, probably thousands of videos on Youtube, forums, literally you can speak out against this stuff wherever you want as you literally are doing right now as we speak. I see podcasters all over the place discussing this stuff and being against LGBTQ+. What do you think is lacking in content? If a player came out and ripped Christianity or Catholicism and some of the damage that it does to people, this same organization would probably tell them to apologize. There was a player, I think in the NBA, who years ago when a terrorist was killed simply said "may God be with the victims and this terrorist" or something to that effect and simply explained that in his beliefs he hopes that this person that did these horrible things can somehow be redeemed by God as he doesn't want Hell for anyone and he was basically lynched by Christians who tried to paint him as a horrible person for not wanting eternal damnation for him. He never said the guy didn't deserve to die or any consequences, just that he didn't agree with that part of it. I fail to see how this is different. My point is that both of these extreme sides of these groups, especially when it comes to what they see as religion, for some it's Christianity and for some it's the aggressive LGBTQ+ movement, for some it's just Trump....whatever it is...they are all the same in the end. They are in outrage when people simply don't believe what they do. My issue with someone like you is you only see it from one side, like so many who have chosen a side do.