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The Catholic Church has not paid the proper price for its cover up and scandals...it literally is STILL protecting Priests that abused children today, as we speak. Some are still on their income with money from an institution that isn't even taxed. You turn it into me saying we should look the other way on the group that's pushing trans surgeries on kids when I have said about a million times here than I'm against that. But I also have the ability to call everyone out on all sides. If I looked up the history of your posts, am I going to see you calling out all sides or is it going to be at least 95% if not more directed at one side? I won't even do it, I'll just let you answer yourself. This is political for you, it has nothing to do with kids being sexualized because if it was, you would be attacking it on all sides. It's a simple as that. I'm not anti-Christian or Catholic, in fact a lot of my argument here is that we shouldn't judge anyone who wave a Pride flag and lump them in with the small group of extremists that are pushing agendas on kids the same way we shouldn't judge all Catholics or Christians by their church's corrupt actions that are probably driven by a small percentage of their entirety as well. If you did an honest critique of what the composite your posts look like, you would see a blatant agenda of calling out one side and having a blind eye to the other. I'm Independent. I think both political parties are corrupt and in some cases downright evil. I don't believe many liberals and conservatives even know what those things really mean. But the big divide and people blaming the other side while enabling their own side is EXACTLY what the elites that you claim you hate want from you. You are literally acting like their pawn.

Getting rid of McDermott doesn't mean we're rebuilding. There are so many examples of teams that fired a coach that couldn't get them over the top and hired someone new that got them there. Some coaches just don't have it in them to go all the way. McDermott is one of them.

He’s already not there for the entirety though

What are you hearing about it?

He's not wrong about the defense part. McDermott has had incredible resources poured into his defense and has been a major disappointment with it, especially against good competition.

This is so silly. Why do you conflate someone being critical of McDermott to their overall outlook on life? There could be people who are very optimistic people that don't like McDermott as a coach or people that are very negative about life that love him as a coach. Also, this whole thing about "positive" threads...is that what a fun message board would be for you, where everyone just thinks the exact same thing as you? That sounds really boring to me. I'm really glad there's people that have different opinions. It can also challenge what I think because I choose to be open-minded and don't go into a thread or create one because I'm aiming for it to be positive or negative. But it would be flat out boring as hell if everyone just thought the same exact thing about everything.

I think someone would have to be a really good Kamikaze candidate to shift the way campaigns work. I'm not sure there are enough open-minded people who haven't already decided who they're going to vote for that exist for that to happen.

That's not the issue, there should be outrage to the abusers on both sides. But the expectations the people affiliated with these groups on both sides has become inherently different. People who are affiliated with Pride in any way are being lumped in with the offenders much more than the Catholic who still chooses to go to and promote the Catholic Church. Look at some of these threads here themselves, anyone who is even just an adult gay person in a consensual relationship with another gay person is being labeled as perverse because of the extremists on their side. Who is doing that to Catholic Church members? I'm not saying people should, I'm saying there is a double standard here.

I think it's kind of funny. I don't even think Christie was a hired gun though, I think he's doing this just because of his own personal grudges...which makes it even better. I don't even think he's wrong really, Trump did do him dirty.

But for some reason, not all Christians and Catholics are lumped in with them. As they shouldn't be. But anyone who waves a Pride flag is lumped in with the worst of their group. That's what the context was behind that, if you actually read what people are saying in between your postings of propaganda.

Unless of course, it's Pastors and Priests coming for their kids...then that side stays silent

Well the first part is good, I'm glad you don't judge all who wear the Pride flag. The rest of this basically proves my point. You're being reductionary now and making this specifically about reading books to 1st graders or promoting irreversible sex change (which I agree both are very wrong and I'm against). You're saying you want to see a loud and stern condemnation of the veteran leaders in the LGBTQ community for the sexualization of children. Fair enough. But this is the SAME EXACT THING, if not much worse, that the Catholic Church is guilty of. There ARE receipts of Priests sexually abusing little boys and received protection, room, and board from the Catholic Church, and yet people still go to that church, adorn their gear, and PROMOTE it. Why is it that in your eyes, the members of the LGBTQ community have to shoulder the responsibility of excommunicating the disgusting extreme MORESO than the members of the Catholic Church in excommunicating theirs?? There are Christian pastors who have done the exact same thing, where is the outrage from this side about that? I'm not saying you're defending it, I'm saying you have very selective outrage and that it's politically driven. The Conservative media and the people that follow them are guilty of the exact same thing the Liberal media and their followers are. Are you denying that if someone went through your history, there would be lots of posts about Trans stuff but hardly any if at all about things that happen on the other side? I'm not going to do it, I'll just take your word for it. From all the people here like yourself and the others that constantly post about Trans issues from the Conservative side, do you think there was any talk here about the almost 700 kids that were found to be sexually abused by Priests in Baltimore a few months ago? I have no issue saying that many of the leaders of the Left and Right or the LGBTQ+ and the Churches disgustingly protect their own in the face of some of the worst things humans can do to each other. Many people here will quote or post things from Matt Walsh who thinks anyone who even associates with Pride is disgusting...this is someone who publicly promotes the Catholic Church...the Church that protects KNOWN child abusers. I'm not saying you have used him...but how does this make any sense?? There's a clear double standard here. If you guys care about protecting the kids so much, why is it only from very specific things that only come from the political opposition? That's the disturbing part here, this isn't about the kids for a lot of you here, it's about political partisanship.

I disagree that it's "perverse" by definition. The one I found is "showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable", I don't think that's what two same-gender people having sex is. Maybe you do or you have a different definition of the word, I don't know. But let me ask you again...what if someone who is homosexual actually agrees with you that heterosexuality is the "natural order", but they don't have that attraction, they themselves are simply naturally attracted to the same gender and it didn't happen by choice and they are simply seeking a same-sex adult consensual relationship? What exactly do you want or expect for them to do? From the origins of it, I don't think it was necessarily a celebration of being gay, moreso a celebration that you could be gay and still have the same rights and be treated like anyone else. Have a small, very loud faction of that group made demands for more? Yes, but unfortunately people are lumping in the entire community as that because of them. You can make any "group" look bad if you judge them all by the extremists within it, whether it's religious, political, even sports fanbases, literally anything. And again, I agree about pushing ideologies onto kids being wrong, I've said that consistently. To your other thing about "phobic", the difference is if I don't like Taylor Swift, I don't say she's somehow perverse if she's not actually doing something perverse, I just don't like her music. It's different if you say two dudes having sex is gross to you personally. A gay person might feel the exact same way that two opposite gender people going at it in their minds is gross.

Everyone who makes the “lesser of two evils” vote is part of the problem though. And yes, I do realize I’m calling the majority of the country part of the problem.

This dudes married to Cheryl from Curb Your Enthusiasm...that might be enough to get my vote!

To call it "sexually perverse" is homophobic. When did I argue that the biological design for human procreation isn't heterosexuality? That doesn't mean homosexual relationships are wrong, just like it's not wrong for heterosexual couples to not have kids if they don't want to. Nobody owes it to anyone else to procreate, there is no obligation for anyone to do that. Also, if someone is gay and they agree that is the biological design...do you think that changes their attraction?

I said homophobe because you literally called a homosexual relationship "sexually perverse". What's perverse about 2 consenting same-gender adults having sex? Lets say for a second that someone who is homosexual agreed with you that it's not the "natural norm". Would that change who they personally are naturally attracted to? Would you be able to change your sexual attraction on a dime? For someone who is in that position, what does acknowledging that do? I would agree that we largely are not in times where safe spaces are needed anymore. But we're not that far removed from when they were for people that were gay. And it literally hasn't even been a decade since they finally got the right to marry across the board. The whole thing was created to fight for those rights and give people those safe spaces when they were more needed and what they do now is probably more of a celebration of how far things have come. Although when listening to people like you, I think they probably second-guess how far we as people have actually come. You're attaching the extremists that target kids to anyone who is gay or on any part of the LGBTQ+ spectrum. I haven't defended any of that and actually agree with people about that being wrong. You called it "sexually perverse" even when it had nothing to do with kids because you think it's intrinsically perverse. It doesn't matter if I think it should be celebrated or if it deserves its own month. We live in a free country. You're not being forced to attend Pride parades. You're not being forced to be gay or go to gay weddings. You are free to start a grassroots movement if you want to celebrate something you like for a month if you want to, or you don't have to. You are free to sit back and whine about the things you don't like as well, which you are exercising. So really what's the problem?

Not sure why you quoted me on this? It's empty as well, I literally don't know what I said that you're replying to with this.

I appreciate the honesty and your willingness to have an in-depth discussion here. It's interesting to me because I was raised Catholic and these were some of the things that were taught to me when I was young. I'm now agnostic, open to really anything being possible but pretty much just trying to live a good life with what I consider moral values and wait for the facts, if there are any after I die...which was always a crazy thing to me that in many forms of Catholicism or Christianity just waiting for the facts to play out is a one-way ticket to eternal suffering and damnation. But to stay on topic...first it's the whole choice part. I don't remember any kind of moment in my childhood where I made some kind of choice to be heterosexual. It was just there. I imagine it's the same thing for someone who is homosexual or bisexual. Maybe you agree on that and meant choice as in what you do with that, I don't know. So lets say for a second that I agreed with you on the way God "intended" for things to be or even the universe or whatever, that either way we were created as male and female to procreate and keep the race going as you said. Acknowledging that doesn't change what gender I'm attracted to. If it was the other way around and males had to have sex with males to procreate and the same with females but I was attracted to females...acknowledging and taking in this notion about how things were intended to be wouldn't make me want to go bang dudes or be attracted to them or want a marriage with them. I would still want a female partner. That's likely how homosexuals feel. There might be many of them who would even agree with you that maybe this wasn't "meant" to happen...but it did and what are they supposed to do? To them, being with the opposite gender would be like forcing a square peg into a round hole. The original message from the non-extremists of the LGBTQ+ and Pride community was that they can offer a space to people looking for community that doesn't admonish them for this. When I was growing up, I did know kids especially in the Catholic circle that were shunned by their families for being gay and it was really confusing and painful for them because they didn't choose that, and some of them did find community in people that told them that it was OK and it wasn't their fault and they can still be proud of who they are. Have some people turned it into making it their entire identity? Yeah, and I don't like that for anything. I would say the same thing for people of any group. There are far right-wing MAGA people who have turned that into their whole identity. There's Bills fans that I think take football way too seriously and get literally get depressed about the team, they take it extremely personally because they're so ingrained with all of this. I don't think it's wrong to tell kids that it's OK to have same-sex attraction if that's what they have once they get to that age where you talk about that stuff. I'm not arguing against that certain people are talking to kids about that stuff in general at too early an age...maybe they are. But I don't think it's wrong to tell kids that are old enough or asking about this that in simple terms it is normal for someone to be homosexual if that's what their attraction is. I don't see why two same-gender people can't love each other just like a heterosexual couple. If it's about procreation...there are a lot of heterosexual couples, and it's a growing number, that simply choose not to have kids. What makes that different? I'm not for brainwashing kids on anything. I think people take it way too far with indoctrinating their kids with religion or anything else that's not rooted in the facts that we currently have, but people are free to do what they want as parents. But I do think it's hypocritical when that religious side is the one that's largely talking about indoctrination when they do the exact same thing, they just believe their side is right.

Im glad you had a better experience. As I’m sure some had a better experience with LGBTQ+ people that weren’t trying to recruit them in any way. This is pretty much my point.

Well you're basically outing yourself as a homophobe here. It's your opinion that people that are gay are into "unnatural or perverse sexual behaviors". But once again, not all people that are gay are trying to indoctrinate children into being gay. Not even most of them. Just like not all religious people are hiding their perversion behind the cloth of Christianity or Catholicism. The origins of Pride was to give people a safe space at times when homosexual people were not treated well or were shunned by family members or their church and to fight for equal rights. That's what most homosexual people celebrate when it comes to Pride. You are defining one group by a small percentage of their population that are extreme and corrupt and disgusting while not doing the same for the other. The right response would be to do that to neither. And you changed your verbiage there when you realized you were wrong. Those religions are just as much about recruitment, probably even moreso, than the whole Pride thing is. You are literally told that's your job as a Christian or Catholic. I know, I was raised Catholic.

I mean, that's mostly what religion is

This is really just you wanting weighted votes on your side of the political spectrum. If you were looking at this objectively, you wouldn't think this is the right thing to do.

Recruiting and indoctrinating people including children isn't central to the core of Catholicism or Christianity????? Are you serious??? They literally tell you it's your JOB in life to do that! That's how it's always been and they don't even deny it the way you are. They even gave it it's own name in proselytizing. It's amazing how much you are willing to turn a blind eye to on that side of the ball. And I don't agree that's what the entire Pride thing is all about. It was about giving people a group to turn to when people were rejected by their own families or loved ones or even by our countries laws at the time. Am I denying that there is a faction doing some evil things with it? Absolutely not. But it's in exactly the same way that these religious groups and Churches are and the level of corruption is no different. It's literally proven to be no different. I'm against indoctrination of all of it. You are only against indoctrination when it doesn't fit your political agenda.

They're going to have to be ready to publicly fund a bunch of other religions' public charter schools then...that's a really scary slippery slope. It's not even that hard to create a new "religion" by the state definition.