[McDermott Era Should End!]

2 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

You can see what the bone headed Eagles have become after letting a HOF coach in Reid leave. 

Yes. They won a Super Bowl🤷🏻‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[Where else would you rather be?]

2 minutes ago, The Jerk said:

I'd rather be having a slumber party at Richie Incognitos house, ya dig? 

I hear Urban Meyer's slumber parties are much more fun.

[Calling it now: We will WIN out.]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to nominate this for post of the year.

[Where else would you rather be?]

5 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

 

Really?  You  could have named ANYBODY and thats who you settle for? An overated 56 year old?

Exactly. The correct answer was obviously Betty White.

[Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

lol, nice!  How many people are in there with "No Place To Hide" one?

 

 

anyway, I'm not saying I would push the guy back.  I'm saying some of these guys would have.  I'm not sure why you are struggling with this.

Even a guy like Vontaze Burfict knows there is too much money on the table to act a fool for them to attack an older guy in a position over them. Him kicking a player was wrong and he was dealt with. Lambo (or anyone) would suffer repercussions as well if they struck back in any way. And they know this.

 

I'm not sure why you are struggling with this.

[Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I said "push back", not pile drive him. 

 

Anyway, it  would have hastened Meyers's firing. No one would have sided with Meyers.  Not one person.   Kahn, like yesterday, would have sided with the player (who isn't even on the roster anymore).

I love how you speak in absolutes without knowing who would have done what. Again, the projection. 

 

I have spoken to everyone here and we all agree...you are a big tough guy that would "push back" on a guy nearly 3 times your age and in much worse shape. We are all very impressed and in awe of your uber masculine nature. John Wayne would be proud. 

[Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Link to what?  A common sense conclusion?  Look up---I've projected it twice now.

 

The players and coaches hate the guy because he abuses them all, physically or verbally.  He's a new coach on thin ice from day one.  There is no downside for a player shoving back at this dead man walking.  

 

It should be obvious that if a story came out that Meyer kicked one of those dudes and they pushed back, Meyers would have been fired weeks ago (he was fired right after this story broke).

What type of film does your projector use anyway?

 

While it's wonderful to have delusions of grandeur that these players would go Attitude Era Stone Cold Steve Austin on Meyer...that's really not what would happen or DOES happen. You think this is an isolated case? Adorable. 

 

There are times on society that something happens and everyone learns a lesson. Latrell Sprewell was that lesson. When you have millions of dollars on the line there is no chance that a athelete is going to risk that by putting his hands on his coach (at 57 years of age) unless he is mentally unstable to begin with. Would be the most asinine way to kill your career. 

[Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups]

58 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

There's no chance that those guys would take that abuse without getting physical with a coach they already can't stand and have no respect for (and who is now fired for this and other behavior).  Who would support Meyer if they did?  No one on the roster or on that coaching staff. 

Link? 

 

They may have handled it differently but there is no way any of them would have gone Latrell Sprewell on him. Too much money at risk. I almost feel like you are projecting here.

[Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 he was canned 2 months ago.

 

Also, I don't think Miles Jack or, say, (other) Josh Allen or Marvin Jones would have said "oh, well, that's my boss"

And I'm certain they would. There is absolutely no scenario where Miles Jack or any of them put hands on a 57 year old guy and look justified unless their life is being legitimate threatened.

[Urban Meyer Canned]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

What a tool. How in God's name can Dermott justify losing to these clowns.

We didn't lose to Urban Meyer. We lost to a guy cheesed off for being known as "Other" Josh Allen. He took that opportunity personally and wrecked the Bills.

 

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

42 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

7% chance is a rough estimate of every team that makes the playoffs probability of winning the super bowl (bye weeks ignored). 1 out of 14 teams is 7%. 

 

I wouldnt raise it much higher for any given team because any given sunday. The point is that it is easy to predict that the Bills wont win the super bowl and say you told us so. The odds are realistically with you.

 

And yes, the ball landed the wrong way this season. 

 

Bad things that happened last season:

Got blown out by Titans and Chiefs

Almost lost to the Fitzpatrick led Dolphins

Beat the 2-14 Jets 18-10 (6 field goals)

Almost lost a 25 point lead to the Rams

Almost lost to the Cam Newton led Patriots if it weren't for a last minute fumble

Lost to a improbable hail mary pass from the cardinals and Murray.

 

Seems pretty easy to see a couple of those bouncing the other way last season and giving us a few more losses. Could also see a few things bouncing the right way this season and giving us a few more wins.

 

Most people agree this buffalo team is one of the most complete teams and there is a subset of you that want to tear it all down (can you believe the McDermott and Beane have to go threads?). The fanbase just cant handle anything less flawless though. And yes we showed a lot of flaws over the course of 6 losses. But we only have 1 blow out. 

But so did the:

Packers getting blown out by the Saints

Patriots losing to the Dolphins

Rams getting blown out by the Cardinals/49ers

Chiefs getting blown out by the Titans

Titans losing to the Jets

Cardinals getting blown out by the Panthers

Bucs getting beat by the WFT

Cowboys getting the beat down by the Broncos

 

Amongst their close losses same as us.

 

Do we need to execute better? Absolutely. At the end of the day though, this team can compete with the best. It is not the trash you and many others suggest (aka Diggs and Allen are the only bright spots on the team... like give me a break)

 

 

 

 

See, you keep lumping me in and assuming I'm just here to trash the team. I am not. I just don't feel the need or obsession to agree with everything they have done and spin it to a positive. When praise is due I have no issues praising as well as you could see if you dig into my post history. 

 

No where....and I mean nowhere have I ever said we need to "tear it all down" or that Beane and McD need to go. I am starting to have questions if they can complete the job they started based on descisions they have made. There is a large contingent on here that blindly follows (In Beane we trusters/Beane's a wizard) and supports everything. And if that works for them...cool. Have fun.

 

Now, your topic of bad things that had happened last yer...5 of those ended up being wins. A few losses. In every instance there it came down to execution, as you said. Even still the only one there that was just plain luck landed in a loss to a heck of a play in the Hail Murray. Call that one 80% luck 20% lack of our top 3 DBs not executing....IMO.

 

Not so much the case this year. There was no ball bouncing luck in the Pittsburgh loss. I suppose one could argue Josh's slip against the Titans...but even if he doesn't slip I'm pretty certain Simmons still stops him short. This year is not about lack of luck...it's about lack of....YES...talent. It's about coaches not making smart calls. Presnap penalties. None of that as on the bouncing of the ball.

 

Also, please tell me where I called this team "trash". I didn't nor have I ever. Again...you make assumptions based on your own ignorance on what I post. I said to name bright spots and took the 2 obvious ones away. You oddly didn't name any...you chose to invent new things I said instead. Here's a freebie for you. Gabe Davis. Guy is a playmaker that needs to see the field more.  Here's another...Devin Singletary. Guy is popping off an average of 4.9 YPC even behind this line. Of course neither are used as close to full time players. 

 

I'm sorry that my views are that this oline and the descision to "run it back" with them will cost this team a promising season. I'm sorry that I view the choice to carry so many DL and rotate them so often and carry so many ST only players is a bad use of roster space. I'm sorry that I wasn't happy about Bobby Hart and Forrest Lamp being signed. I understand the thought process...just never agreed with it. And you know what....I'm allowed to think that.

 

There are great reasons to be optimistic about next year if good upgrades are made. The Chiefs completely revamped their line in 1 years and (after a few rough weeks) they are coming together in time for the playoffs. Who knows...maybe our oline figures out how to block and give Allen time and we go on a run. Based on what I have seen this year...I don't see it happening though. 

 

This team is 7-6 because they have played like a 7-6 team. Period. That is who this team is to this point of the season. Once we got through the 1st 5 games (where, yes we played teams that we could stack wins on...so good work sealing the deal.)we spun out of control again at tougher teams....like the ones we will see on the playoffs. To win it all this year (and yes...that should be the goal after the success they had last year) the coaches and players have a lot of work to do to improve. Again...that is my opinion based on what I have seen while playing and watching football. Impossible? Not at all. Remember Joe Flacco's "elite" Super Bowl run? It could happen for sure. But games are won in the trenches...and both sides of our line have issues.

[Is now the time to remove OJ Simpson from the wall of fame and HOF?]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

I wonder if they include a Bills HoF as part of a new stadium, what do they do about OJ in said HoF?  He is a scumbag and will be until the day he dies, but how do you ignore his time with the Bills?

You include it. 

 

The story of the NFL or the Buffalo Bills isn't complete without OJ's accomplishments. The story of OJ isn't complete without his post career incidents. 

 

He should be included and he should be both recognized for the player he was and the person the became.

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

8 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

They’re going to have to open up now, we’ll see what happens. My guess is the second half of the TB game is a good indicator. Have faith, I sure do! Go Bills! 

I believe it's fair to say that anything MAY be possible...no matter how improbable it seems. 

[#1 Defense, #8 Offense, 7-6]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The season hasnt gone the way I would hope.  Last year everything came up aces until it didnt.  This year Buffalo wont be the favorites if they make it.  All those guys made superbowl runs when they werent the favorites too.  

All those guys have a combined 2 Super Bowl wins. Main reason they don't have more IMO is that they were not given enough talent to surround them. Much like Allen this season.

 

Perhaps he goes on a Joe Flacco-like playoff run and single-handedly wills the Bills to victory for the next 8 games. Heck, he almost did it against the Bucs on Sunday. While I can admit (and hope) anything is possible, I believe it is also fair to point out that it is at the very least improbable. 

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Well there you have it. This guy is putting all the marbles against the 7% chance the bills win the super bowl. What a brave soul. I bet he will be back here to say he told you so as well.

 

Every team has its problems and short comings. People like you come out in droves to say you told us so when the ball doesn't land the right way. Im sure you did last year when we were 7-3 and only beat the  non playoff Jets (2x), Dolphins, Raiders, Patriots and playoff Rams (almost dropped as im sure youd mention), and Seahawks.

 

"1 or 2 good wins out of 7" I'm sure you'd have said. We went on to beat 6 out of 6 more teams (5 non playoff teams which apparently don't count) which im sure also didnt impress you.

 

It sucks that we have so many people who want to so quickly revert being so petty.

"People like me" are pissed we are down to a 7% chance. And rightfully so.

 

You have literally wiffed on every single assumption on me worse than Brandon Beane wiffed on his "run it back" idea with this offensive line. Your entire post is spent telling me what I "probably" would say. You provide zero counter opinion, add absolutely nothing pro or con to what I was saying. Not everyone needs to be of single and simple mind to say "Yes! Love everything this team does". 

 

This season isn't and hasn't been a matter of the "ball landing the wrong way". This season has been about missed opportunity due to not improving on what we had last year. 

 

If your have a differing opinion...please...enlighten us all as to all of the glowing bright spots not named Allen or Diggs. Or just keep being content to be in the playoffs. Some just expect a bit more.

[Looks like the Jets will be getting a lot of games in the UK]

We sent them they Jags and now the Jets? No wonder foreign countries hate us so much😂

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

I don’t need to cling to anything, they are much better than their record, they pass the eye test to my eyes, they will pick it up from here. That was just one data point for me. 

Might be time for a new prescription. 😂😂

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

22 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Agree

Does not have a drought era feel to me. This team is very talented and will probably win out and be hot going into the playoffs. Ranked 1 in D and 8 in offense, this is an enigma and shows we are much better than our record. I have faith in McBean to right the ship before the playoffs and at the exact right time. 

It's not and enigma, though. 

 

It's a team that has walloped bad teams and lost to good ones. The 1 and 8 are really nice and I know right now thats what people need to cling to. But this isn't a team that has been talented enough to win close game. This isn't a team that can win in the trenches against good teams. 

 

Also, I find it absolutely ridiculous that many are yelling about the "stats say". Watch the game! Stats are not universal. We have played quite a few games this year against back up QBs and in bad weather that limited offenses without a QB with an arm like Allen. However almost weekly we see that "top defense" exposed with big plays, bad penalties, not coming up with a step when you NEED it.

 

On offense...great...wow what a ranking. Now look up their red zone numbers. Look up where this line is rated. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that all of these issues will be solved just because....well it's playoff time.

[#1 Defense, #8 Offense, 7-6]

17 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 Buffalo wins out or goes 3-1 down the stretch thats a pretty good stretch.  They will have a top 10 offense and defense.  In all but 1 matchup the best Qb in the game will be Allen.  They will be extremely dangerous.  

Takes a bit more than just a QB to win in the post season. How many games haa Rodgers lost in the post season where he was the better QB? Brees? Marino? 

 

Fact is Allen is dangerous. Our oline will be the Achilles Heel....as we have seen all year long. 

 

It's wonderful that we have a "top 10" offense and defense. Even with that we are still 3-5 in our last 8 games and pretty lucky to have the Panthers, Falcons and Jets as 3 of our last 4. We will again feed of bad teams and most likely be 1 and done when it matters if this season has been any indication.

 

However, yes once post season starts anything "can happen".

[Josh in a boot after Tampa game (now says he's "good to go", no effects)]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Jerry Hughes and his wife also in the photo 

John Cena is also rumored to be in the photo.

[With The Exception Of The Colts Game We Could Be Undefeated.]

21 minutes ago, Irv said:

We have a chance to win it all.  Many crappy last minute plays have did us in.   We can win it all. I have faith.  Just need to make the playoffs.  

Well we aren't. We are 7-6 and playing below .500 over the last 8 games. Good teams find a way to win tight games. We are middle of the pack due largely to coaching and bad line play.

 

That isn't changing this year. 

18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I used to do this every season… 

It really has a drought era feel, doesn't it?

[#1 Defense, #8 Offense, 7-6]

28 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

After 13 games, the Bills are the #1 defense (yards) #3 defense (points), #8 offense (yards), #6 (points).  And yet, they are an absolutely mediocre 7 - 6.  Anomalies like this happen from time to time.  Several years ago, the Chargers finished the year #1 in both offense and defense and missed the playoffs.  If I recall correctly, they were horrific on special teams.  Conversely, one of the Dick Jauron coached teams was near rock bottom in both offense and defense yet finished 7 - 9 thanks to playing ultra-conservative football to beat bad teams and great special teams play under Bobby April.  They got their brains beat in by good teams.  

 

Here, special teams play hasn't been horrible (granted blocked punt against Pittsburgh and McKenzie fumble against Colts didn't help).  It isn't turnovers either.  Bills are in top ten in turnover differential.

 

Of course, the answer is the team blows out inferior opponents and loses close games to both good and bad teams.  The only outlier is the blow out loss to the Colts.  Is this an anomaly?  I can't think of another team that really fits this description.  

 

We know the defense isn't the '85 Bears or the '00 Ravens.  It's a good but not great defense that can be exploited by the run and doesn't generate enough sacks.  The offense has been very inconsistent.  The inconsistency, however, seems for the most part to depend on who's starting on the offensive line.  

 

Bottom-line, maybe this is one of the few times you're not what your record says you are.  I think that if the Bills make the playoffs, they will be the proverbial team that no one wants to face.

Love the positive outlook here. However the Bills are exactly what their record says this year. And for the reason you listed. Inconsistant play. They are constantly inconsistent so to speak. 

 

And while facing Josh Allen in the playoffs isn't an easy task...I can't figure anyone is trembling in their boots to play this years version of the Bills that is 0-5 in close games, 3-5 over the last 8 games and has a swiss cheese offensive line. Especially physical teams that can have success running the ball (Tenn with DH back, Colts, Pats, Browns, and even the much improved lately Chiefs all spring to mind).

 

Other than POSSIBLY Tennessee with a rested up Brown and Henry coming back and the Chiefs that are really looking like last years version, there really aren't any teams that would stand out as a team "no one wants to face in the postseason".

[NFL informs clubs 2022 salary cap projected to be $208.2 million]

25 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Morse won't be a cap casualty. 1 - he's good. 2- There is no replacement in waiting. 3- even good prospect Draft picks at Center can take 2 to 3 years to develop unless you strike gold.

I could easily see another restructure with him. Buffalo could also go out and try and get Bradley Bozeman of the Ravens or even Austin Corbett of the Rams as younger upgrades if they hit FA. Depends how they view Morse and what they want to do with the interior of that offensive line. 

 

Judging from what Beane has done in the pats, a restructure to free up money and drafting a C to mold behind him seems like it's most likely, unfortunately.

[NFL informs clubs 2022 salary cap projected to be $208.2 million]

6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I didn't know teams could restructure contracts at will.  Stupid me.  

 

I get what you're saying about Beas BUT when you have a QB like Allen, you really want to make sure he has quality guys to throw to.  I'd hate to lose Beasley.  

 

But I also know we need to make trade-offs.  If releasing Beasley allowed us to sign a Pro Bowl guard, I'd do cartwheels in the street.   Open receivers don't mean a lot to Allen when he's getting smacked to the turf.  

Not stupid at all. I only learned that this last offseason when Tyreek Hill refused to allow the Chiefs to restructure him. The articles I read all mentioned that he and his agent had that removed from his deal and it wasn't typical. 

 

The major thing I think about with Beasley is that while he has been great, Allen would still have capable weapons. Diggs will still do Diggs things. Knox has made a jump and continues to be a bigger weapon as the season goes on. Davis is really under used...and if we can improve that line not only would it keeps Allen upright as you said....but it just may help bring a bit of a run game back and take even more pressure off Josh Allen to be excellent every game.  Even if they keep Beasley next season he really isn't part of the long term at his age and the way injuries have and may continue to pile. 

[NFL informs clubs 2022 salary cap projected to be $208.2 million]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

None of the players on the 'restructure' list are obligated to restructure.  You don't know what they - or their agents - will demand.  This is pure speculation.

 

Releasing Poyer and Beasley would leave huge gaps in our starting lineups.    Gaps not easily filled unless you spend heavily in free agency meaning there's no net savings.

 

Trading Edmunds for what?  A draft pick?   Or a FA with a contract of their own?  If you are betting on a rookie to equal Edmunds' contribution - that's a long bet.   If you are trading Edmunds for a FA, you're just swapping contracts so the savings isn't real.

 

Most player contracts have built in language that makes it so the teams can restructure without player permission. That usually extends to converting money into signing bonus where players don't lose anything. I do believe they have to gain approval drom the player to extend voidable years and such.

 

I agree releasing Poyer would be a huge gap. Not sure I agree that Beasley would be a huge net loss. Yes, he is amazing at getting open...however this is 2 years in a row he's played through (and been hampered by) injuries. At his cost I would rather that his money and combine with money we get from Sanders expiring contract and get a new (younger) WR. A guy like DJ Chark with his speed or Gallup would be really nice. Increase Gabe Davis's role and I don't think the drop off is too bad.