TigerJ

Buffalo's round two playoff contest?

For the most part, I agree with you, except that I really don't care where Rosen is in 2-3 years. He can be top tier too, as long as Allen is for the Bills. That's all that really matters.

Maybe Jarvis and his old college teammate, Odell Beckham Jr. can meet in a back alley somewhere an settle this like two men. . . err idiots."

Chris Brown said, "Better now than later." My question: "Why not January or February instead of now?"

It's been said Jon Gruden never saw a QB he didn't like LOL.

It will be interesting to see if the Bills draft any Syracuse players next offseason.

LOL!

Fifteen teams are projected to get picks leaving 17 that won't.

From left to right: "I'm not interested. I'll sit this one out." "Discipline? Id rather freelance." "This is great! Something new I can learn! "I asked why we're doing this, and you hand me the company line?" "Where's my mom? I'm not saying anything without her advice."

Treminator

In the NFL at any given position you can have proven producers. They may be stars who have already been proven to be elite, or they might be role players who have shown they can be relied upon to produce. Also, in the NFL, you have scrubs, players you know are not going to play a major role, but you need to have some on your team because A. there are not enough good to great players to go around, and, B. teams have a limited salary cap to work with, and they can't afford to field a team filled top to bottom with good to great players. Then in the NFL, you have players whose ultimate ceiling you can't know yet, either because they're rookies who have done nothing in the league because they haven't been there, or because something has prevented them from proving their eventual ceiling, or even giving much of a clue. The Bills seem to haf a relative lack of proven good to great players at the wide receiver position, and a surplus of players whose eventual ceiling is unknown. You've got Kelvin Benjamin whom most agree can be a good possession receiver because of his size and catch radius, but he's never going to be a star. You've got Jeremy Kerley, who has proven he can be a productive slot receiver, but lacks the measurables for greatness. After that you've got Zay Jones, who might have a pretty high ceiling based on his college production and family pedegree, but his rookie season was essentially destroyed by injury issues and his own nerves. He might be pretty good. You've got Brandon Reilly, who while he only came into the league as a UDFA, looks like he could be the latest version of Chris Hogan only better. We just don't know because he hasn't had the opportunity. You've got Rod Streater, who has a real nice combo of size and speed, and has produced some in the NFL. Unfortunately, injury last season prevented the Bills from being able to see what he could do for the Bills. You've got a potential gadget WR in McCloud, and a potential young slot receiver in Proehl who has enough speed to break some big plays, and you've got a UDFA in Robert Foster who has true deep speed to go with good size, but for various reasons never got the opportunity to reach his college potential. McCloud probably won't get many plays on the offense and ends up being the primary punt returner. That is a big group of players with a high degree of uncertainty. Not all will even make the team because there are not enough roster spots to go around. The ones that do stick - some won't get enough playing time to do much of anything. Austin Proehl probably won't get to see the field much, if he makes the team, because even though he has a higher ceiling than Jeremy Kerley, Kerley will be ahead of him on the depth chart because of experience and prior production at the NFL level. Does Streater make the team and bump Andre Holmes? Can Reilly make us forget "7-11" ? The point is, there is so much that is unknown about this receiving corps that there is room for both pessimism and optimism. Do we have more pleasant surprises, or more disappointments, Who really knows?

I'm hoping you're right. We'll see.

TreMissile

Good measurables, but came out of college pretty raw and lacking intensity. He's had 3 years to learn a few things. We'll see if the fire in his belly is burning any hotter.

I imagine he would find it difficult to qualify for a student loan, but I would thnk he could get personal loans.

Yeah, I was thinking of Edmunds as a player who will want to hit Gronkowski. Edmunds is unique in the NFL, I believe. I don't think there is another linebacker in the league who goes 253 lbs or more and runs that fast. It's going to be fun to see what he can do with it.

I would be shocked if I learned that a Christian belief system was a requirement for the Bills in the minds of McDermott and Beane. However, I think that McBeane does find that Christian values are conducive to hard work and dedication in practice and on the field. I know several draft picks referenced their Christian faith regarding the whole pre-draft process, including Edmunds, Harrison Phillips and Austin Proehl.

Sumo wrestlers have to keep their hands inside the opponents shoulders?

Meh. Not much pro production. His measurables don't blow you away. He looks like more of what the Bills already have, if that.

So Logan Thomas could be a viable solution for that role, not that he would want to cut into his practice time at tight end so he could throw to the other tight ends (and receivers.

Thanks, Badlands. That is very enlightening. It also makes a lot of sense. It has probably been those endless drills that have created the risk for fatigue in the past.

I did not mean to imply that. I have no way of knowing. Also, replying to Skins Malone's post, I don't know that there is proof of anything with respect to arm fatigue. I know there have been some cases where it has happened, and presumably it could also happen with four QBs. It would not surprise me to learn that some individuals are more prone to develop it than others. It is also quite possible that with all the restrictions to practice under the current CBA, that the likelihood of arm fatigue has been reduced. I'm not intending to imply poor judgment on anyone's part. It just struck me as curious that the Bills don't have a fourth QB yet, and wondered what others thought about that.

The article closed on a hopeful note, suggesting that Jordan Palmer's work to help him correct his footwork/mechanical issues seems to have paid dividends in all his post season appearances, from the Senior Bowl on. I know that at the recent rookie mini camp, Brian Daboll shadowed him pretty closely, appearing to give him feedback covering all aspects of his play, including mechanics. There are just two questions that need to be answered: can Allen make all the necessary changes to his footwork/mechanics? And will those changes stick when he's facing live bullets on a Sunday afternoon? I figure I might as well hope.

It is fairly typical for teams to go into training camp with 4 QBs on their roster. Training camps involve so much throwing that three QBs only has sometimes resulted in one or more developing a form of fatigue in their throwing arm, putting them at risk of injury. That was not done the year EJ Manuel was drafted, and the reason given was that the young QBs, particularly Manuel needed all the reps he could get. Fast forward to the 2018 version of the Bills. The Bills just went through their rookie mini-camp with two youngsters at the QB position: top draft pick Josh Allen and camp tryout Zapoticky from Shippensberg State. At this point, the Bills have 3 QBs on their roster - Allen, Nathan Peterman and AJ McCarron. To this point, they signed only one of their tryout players, a fullback named Zack Olstad, from mighty Winona State. They have not signed Zapoticky. What do you think they will do? What do you think they should do and why? Look for a fourth QB or go with 3?

Ah, Ground Chuck. That was his nickname for the conservative run based offense he preferred. He must have lived to a ripe old age considering he was the Bills head coach back in the 80s.