[11/26/23 Week #12 GAMEDAY Bills at Eagles Pregame Thread]

I question running there....going 3 and out to start the game is bad

[Week 12: Buffalo Bills vs Philadelphia Eagles]

10 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

I’m no McD apologist, but no way in hell would I want Sirianni. Sure he’s an offensive guy which is all the rage out of the HC position these days, but he’s not my cup of tea. 

It take sirianni all day and twice on Sundays over mcd

[Has Josh Allen reached his ceiling?]

Josh ceiling is multiple superbowls...but our team Building philosophy has kinda dampened that....have to build the offense first not the defense

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Not being able to run isn't a flaw as a quarterback... Because you can get it done inside or outside of the pocket

 

A flaw is a hitch in your throwing motion... Or staring down your primary receiver... Or unable to find your check down... Or doesn't throw the ball away... Can't call the right protection... Can't get to his third read... Feels phantom pressure etc 

 

Those are flaws that a quarterback can have that have nothing to do with physical attributes... And they're really hard to correct... Because if you throw the kid into the fire he will revert back to his Norm... 

 

But with the right coaching and circumstances can be corrected

 

And I'm not saying Josh has a bunch of problems... Not at all... Someone said how we messed up Josh's rookie year

 

And my only point was he would probably be even better today if we sat him for all 17 weeks... If he got an entire rookie year on the bench

 

he would probably be the Josh we know and even better because he would have been able to knock out bad habits... Which you really can't do when you're thrown to the fire

 

 

We went to the playoffs with tyrod Taylor and the worst wide receiver core I have ever seen

 

Including an opportunistic defense that was built by McDermott

 

Diggs and Allen weren't even here for that

 

Again I don't think he's Bill belichick but he's also not a bottom 10 coach

We backed into the playoffs with the nfl stars aligning perfectly and allot of outside help beyond any of our control lol....you know how many forgotten JAG coaches have done the same? Even a trash can gets a filet mignon every now and then

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Not being able to run isn't a flaw as a quarterback... Because you can get it done inside or outside of the pocket

 

A flaw is a hitch in your throwing motion... Or staring down your primary receiver... Or unable to find your check down... Or doesn't throw the ball away... Can't call the right protection... Can't get to his third read... Feels phantom pressure etc 

 

Those are flaws that a quarterback can have that have nothing to do with physical attributes... And they're really hard to correct... Because if you throw the kid into the fire he will revert back to his Norm... 

 

But with the right coaching and circumstances can be corrected

 

And I'm not saying Josh has a bunch of problems... Not at all... Someone said how we messed up Josh's rookie year

 

And my only point was he would probably be even better today if we sat him for all 17 weeks... If he got an entire rookie year on the bench

 

he would probably be the Josh we know and even better because he would have been able to knock out bad habits... Which you really can't do when you're thrown to the fire

 

 

We went to the playoffs with tyrod Taylor and the worst wide receiver core I have ever seen

 

Including an opportunistic defense that was built by McDermott

 

Diggs and Allen weren't even here for that

 

Again I don't think he's Bill belichick but he's also not a bottom 10 coach

This highly prized defense you speak of when have they ever shut down a top QB in a must win game to clinch #1 seed or a playoff game?

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude how does 31 other teams feel? I guess you're new to watching professional sports despite having 1976 in your username

 

Because only one team is happy at the end of the year... So 31 out of 32 teams can b**** and moan about their players and coaches

 

And we've been at the top of the league minus super bowls for the last five...

 

Sean McDermott might not be Bill belichick but he certainly not average after transforming the bills franchise 

 

We went to the playoffs with the worst offensive unit I have ever seen in 50 years

Been a Bills fan since 1986 bud

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude how does 31 other teams feel? I guess you're new to watching professional sports despite having 1976 in your username

 

Because only one team is happy at the end of the year... So 31 out of 32 teams can b**** and moan about their players and coaches

 

And we've been at the top of the league minus super bowls for the last five...

 

Sean McDermott might not be Bill belichick but he certainly not average after transforming the bills franchise 

 

We went to the playoffs with the worst offensive unit I have ever seen in 50 years

Again I find it comical you credit McDermott for turning this franchise around when it's been more Allen and Diggs

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

So don't watch the Bills anymore

 

Allen is one of the best players in the world, but it takes a team to win a super bowl

 

And our team around him right now isn't playing like a super bowl team.. you want Mike malarkey as our head coach?

 

People seriously must have forgot the drought years... McDermott is far from perfect but it's not always greener on the other side

 

That's the only truth.. the grass is not always greener on the other side

I see you are still defending the average HC while willing to waste the prime of a QB it took us 30 plus yrs to find.......McDermott will do to allen what Detroit did to stafford

[I’m scared to fire McDermott.]

1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

No accountability after 13 seconds. A funk after the GB last year, then getting throttled by Cinci in the playoffs.

 

After the London game with the Bills losing Milano & Jones on top of losing White vs. Miami, the very first thing I said was we needed to go all gas and just outscore everyone even if it meant a high-scoring shootout.

 

This team, and specifically the way Allen is wired, does SO much better up-tempo/no-huddle. We are an unstoppable wagon. Then we go conservative, predictable, and easy to defend, and lose all momentum.

 

"Let's stop doing what's working and switch to something with "more balance" - which stalls us and puts more pressure on an already depleted defense.

 

The $90m question is who is pulling the strings on blowing up our fast-break offense? Why would an OC do that? There's your answer.

 

Would McDermott rather lose 24-18 vs. 45-42 because the latter would expose his defense and his ego as a defensive mind?

 

Is Pegula that detached/ineffective to not see/hear what is going on? There is a rotten elephant in the room that no one wants to own up to.

 

 

You get it...boggles my mind how anyone can point anywhere other than McDermott for our shortcomings at this point...he was needed in the beginning but now he is actually hurting this team

41 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

We can complain about McDermott all we want and come up with reasons he should be fired.

 

It isn't going to happen.

 

He just got an extension this Offseason. He and Beane are tight. We went from the laughing stock of the league to a perennial contender under this regime.

 

If you think Beane is going to fire him after one bad season where we had our Defense decimated or that Pegula is going to step in and reset the team back to what it was when he came in, you're kidding yourself.

 

If anything is going to happen, Dorsey will take the fall and they'll find a new OC. It's going to take more than one year of missing the Playoffs. McDermott will have to lose the team, chief among them Josh, and have at least 2 bad years in a row before anything happens.

I truly think bean answers to MCDERMOTT honestly

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is the same coach that thought Petermann was an NFL caliber starting QB.  I'm convinced he doesn't know a thing about QB's.

 

He doesn't know anything about OFFENSE in general....he wants an old school grind it out clock eating offense to hide the flaws of his over-rated 4-5-2 soft zone scheme

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Allen has had some of the same flaws for 6 years... They aren't magically now just coming out because of conservative coaching

 

Daboll was super aggressive starting games with 15 plus throws... but some of Josh's flaws still would come out

 

Because he never got to correct them fully.. you can't correct them in live game situations

 

 

Allen showed he is good enough flaws and all to win a superbowl as other qbs with worse stats and flaws themselves have won it all...McDermott showed us he is capable of stealing that superbowl chance away from our QB in 13 s flat

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

Just now, Billever76 said:

I disagree we are witnessing Allen's flaws be exposed by his conservative HC putting him in a system that predisposes him to his flaws......it's like McDermott thought of a perfect system to expose his quarterback and installed it...I'm truly boggled how an NFL HC would force the best dual threat QB in the nfl and possibly EVER into a conservative ball control pocket passer system

You could literally pick out the flaws of any qb if you place them into a system that is against their skill sets

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think I ever said it was Allens fault... He's literally one of the three best players in the world.. not even counting position

 

He's a superstar

 

But he could and probably would be better if he even sat his rookie year... It did nothing but good for Patrick mahomes Aaron Rodgers and every single other talented quarterback that learns from the sideline

I disagree we are witnessing Allen's flaws be exposed by his conservative HC putting him in a system that predisposes him to his flaws......it's like McDermott thought of a perfect system to expose his quarterback and installed it...I'm truly boggled how an NFL HC would force the best dual threat QB in the nfl and possibly EVER into a conservative ball control pocket passer system

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think we are very close to a breaking point with McDermott and Josh.  I feel one of the 2 is going to tell Terry "if he is still here, I won't be"

 

They are oil and water in what they want in an offense and it's causing more harm than good.  

Under no circumstances do you choose McDermott in that case...I don't think any owner would pick an average HC over a potential HOF talent franchise QB..McDermott doesn't fill the stadium and sell merchandise lol

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

People don't realize that as much as you can make a quarterback.. you can ruin a quarterback

 

Josh in my opinion coming from the mountain West needed a full year on the bench and seasoning... That year on the bench can coach out flaws that you have

 

Getting thrown in the fire is sink or swim... Yes Josh swam.. but he also didn't get to work on the flaws he had as a quarterback

 

Some of those flaws still come around today... Literally 20 plus weeks on the bench could correct that

 

So yeah I would have seen a two and fourteen season with Josh on the bench because he probably would even be better... Every quarterback should sit it's that tough

 

Quarterbacks getting thrown to the fire is why they don't succeed

 

First round picks used to sit 20 back in the day 

This isn't Allen's fault.....take Tom Brady and put him in an rpo system and you could pick apart his game also...Allen is being forced to play in an offense that is in direct conflict to his strengths as a qb

35 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

At the risk of sounding like a loon is there a possibility that McD benches Allen?  Hear me out here:  McD could approach Bean and argue that Allen's shoulder needs to heal fully so why not sit him for a couple of weeks. 

 

Remember McD is the man who benched Tyrod to go with the worst QB who has ever started a game in the NFL.  Peterman threw FIVE INT's in the first half, an NFL record.  McD then double downed on that decision and declared Peterman the starter over Allen the next year only to see Peterman set another NFL record for bad QB play - 9 straight possessions without getting a 1st down.  Then McD was forced to throw Allen to the wolves the next week and start him against a very good Charger D.  And don't forget that because of McD's infatuation with the worst QB to ever start an NFL game Allen missed taking most of the 1st team reps in Training Camp & the preseason games.

 

McD doesn't have a clue about QB's and I wouldn't put it past him to try to pull off a stunt like this.

 

 

I'm more concerned about finding a possibility to Bench McDermott or atleast put him on a leash (handcuff him not allen)

[My theory: McDermott never liked Daboll's high flying offense, but had to go along with it]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

I don't buy this McD doesn't want a high power offense. Was he not in Carolina with Newton and one of the best offenses that year? Also, I've never once heard McDermott say he wants to be more conservative. I think if anything, McD is probably somewhat responsible for trying to make Josh more of a pocket passer, but I just don't buy that McDermott wants a jauron style offense. 

McDermott had 0 input on the panthers offense lol....just bc panthers had a great offense a few years while McDermott was on the staff means nothing to how McDermott prefers an offense be ran

[McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Just basic ***** logic, it's one of the top 4 non player positions on the team, hell top 3 since McDermott is also the acting DC. There's no way ownership is going to want that position pulled without input/consultation.

Pegula isn't even a football guy....he is and has been a hands off owner..he literally bought the Bills for his wife lol....nah McDermott can fire any coordinator he wants to bro

[Some All-22 Observations from Cinci]

16 minutes ago, boyst said:

Drop 7 while rushing 4 effectively will always cripple a passing offense 

Then why can't we do it?

[McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He'd still need the okay from ownership to fire someone at the level of an Offensive Coordinator.

And you know that how? ..um usually HCs have full control over who they hire and fire as far as coordinators ....but that's besides the point...McDermott doesn't want to fire any of his hand picked "YES" men....he can and does control everyone on this staff including his GM whom he brought over from Carolina lol...why do you think it's been so uneven with top draft picks and FA going to the defense side of the ball....McDermott gives bean his shopping list and bean goes and gets McDermott wishes

[Is Josh turning into a one read guy??]

Why is it so hard to believe that Allen is in a foreign offense that is 100% aligned to the polar opposite of what Allen's skill sets are? We have essentially taken everything allen is good at and scraped it and installed an offense that asks allen to relearn his entire style of play to fit what our stubborn controlling conservative HC envisions....mcd wants an offense designed for a player like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer 😆 

[McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense]

15 hours ago, <bills4life> said:

And how many times has this answer been given to McDermott throughout the season?  Because this movie has been played way too many times throughout the season. Either way it is inexcusable on both their parts regardless. 

Gotta love the fans who still remain steadfast in their support of McDermott and even when faced with the truth,double down and defend him even more lol....McDermott is Bills Mafias David Koresh 😆 

14 hours ago, Roundybout said:

The hire made all the sense in the world. Obviously it failed. Hopefully McD does the right thing and terminates him. 

Yes the giants are a model organization huh

Giants are a mess but Dabol is better than any coach we have on our staff

[McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So many have it wrong in this thread...you guys realize that McD is giving you DORSEY's answer to why they didn't run the uptempo right?  

 

All this anger at McD over the answer is totally misguided.  Now if you want to be mad at McD for not yet firing Dorsey, then that is fair game.  But this answer everyone is so upset about is the answer Dorsey gave McD after they met and reviewed the game.  

 

FIRE DORSEY

 

 

Lmao McDermott wants the offense to be conservative and slow and methodical and eat clock..dorsey is just calling the plays that align to McDermott wishes pal

[McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense]

15 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Does he just not have permission to fire his OC so he's wording his way around it? Because this doesn't exactly match up.

Lol MCDERMOTT is running this entire program....McD is even above bean 

[I’m scared to fire McDermott.]

4 minutes ago, McBean said:

“lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.”

 

Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here.

 

Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired.

 

Wade- Flutie and Johnson

Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe

Mularkey- Bledsoe

Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards

Gailey- Fitz

Marrone- Manuel and Orton

Rex- Tee Rod

McClap- Tee Rod and Allen

 

You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker!

Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture 

Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs…

 

Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.”

Fact:  Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS.

 

In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments…

 

Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss.

 

Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings.

 

Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP.

You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple…

 

Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT.

 

 

 

You described everything to perfection..100% spot on!

[The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Yes, McD actively hates success and doesn’t want the team to win so he only hires OCs that suck.
 

Do you read what you post or what

McDermott is too stubborn to admit that his entire coaching philosophy is PAST ITS TIME.

[The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread]

5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

How certain are we that Dorsey isn’t calling the game plan based on McDermott’s input?

^^^This...fans don't realize McDermott isn't only the HC...he is co GM..he is co OC and he is also DC...he is a meddling control freak 

[When Frazier "left" McDermott should have brought in Jim Schwartz]

3 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Absolutely correct.  This defense is McD’s and he is not going to change the concept/style.

And bc of that McDermott needs fired

[The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

https://theathletic.com/5035485/2023/11/06/buffalo-bills-cincinnati-bengals-ken-dorsey/
 

This piece by Joe B seems to indicate that a change could actually be coming soon. He leans hard into everyone turning against Dorsey, from the players to McDermott. 
 

‘And following the end of the game, there seemed to be a rather interesting shift in how things have sounded.

 

The subtle messages are becoming less so. The frustration and exasperation is growing, and the words used have become tougher. After a great start to the game, in which the Bills averaged 12.1 yards per play on their opening drive, that dynamic offense went missing in action. They gained only 158 yards over their next eight drives, and watched as the Bengals slowly pulled away.

“That can’t happen,” coach Sean McDermott firmly said of the offensive inconsistency. “Against a good football team that’s known for scoring points, and a good quarterback. We’ve got to be able to score points, and we didn’t do it enough.”

McDermott has made some subtle comments like that since the London game. Even after their somewhat of a resurgence in Week 8 against the Buccaneers, McDermott raised some eyebrows when he said that every play “wasn’t an adventure.” But the subtleties are becoming less so.

While the Bills found success going up-tempo the week before, they inexcusably went away from it until it was effectively too late in the game. Why didn’t they use it?

“I don’t have a good answer for you right now,” McDermott said. “I’ve got to look into that.”

There appears to be a lot more looking into things than usual, and it makes you wonder what’s next for the Bills. … It all leads to one point. The Bills might have arrived at where a big change is necessary before the season gets away from them. And with the offense flailing and seemingly out of answers, the time may be now for the Bills to change directions at offensive coordinator.

[Next section is on Allen’s clear postgame exasperation and his subtle digs at the play-calling and game plan.]

 

Why are these pieces of information important? Allen has been the loudest supporter of Dorsey, even in the face of criticism. But if Allen is out of answers and possibly losing confidence in Dorsey himself, then there may be no better reason to make a change than that one. After all, Allen is the straw that stirs the drink.

Under Dorsey, the Bills have been utterly predictable and lacked the creativity that had been a staple with Brian Daboll. … The time for waiting to allow things to iron themselves out, or giving Dorsey enough time to find his footing as an offensive coordinator is quickly coming to a close. He now has 26 games under his belt calling plays, and is seemingly in the same evolutionary spot as he was to begin his career as an offensive coordinator. If there is no growth, and the offense is stagnating, a shake-up may be required.

…

With a Monday night game on the horizon, the Bills have an extra day to prepare should they make a change, and with a plum opponent in a below-average Broncos defense to get them the confidence they need heading into a brutal stretch of games. They have coaches on staff with the experience to take over if need be, but it all comes down to their choice.’

 

Lots of other comments in the piece too.

 

 

 

McDermott loves throwing blame every where but on himself...this entire team is in mcdummys vision and I wouldn't be surprised that he made the call to tone down the high flying offense and convert it into a more conservative ball control offense bc he wants his rotation dline as rested as possible for the 4th quarter when they allow 5 for 5 on 3rd downs and never get the ball back lol

[We are now the worst defense in the league]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

McDermott is coaching the defense scared right now. It’s going to be a bend and sometimes break defense the rest of the season.

Offense better get going or we’re looking at a top 10 pick. 
 

I’ve always said you are what you’re record is but they deserve to be 4-5 right now with the hard part of the schedule coming up.

 

Lol McDermott entire scheme is based on being scared.

Scared of the big play so you are content to watch EVERY last good offense control the time of possession and pace of the game....it's like a cat playing with a mouse when it comes to good qbs and good offenses...they may let you feel you have a shot until it gets time and then down the hatch and the mouse (McDermott defense) is swallowed whole lol