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Rosen thinks he is special because he attends UCLA and is majoring in Economics. For some reason, in explaining why playing football and doing academics is difficult, he chose to express his disdain for Alabama and Clemson and those who choose to major in subjects that he doesn’t think are difficult. The guy appears to be a major snowflake.

I don’t know anything about the Excercise Science program at UA, but it’s a serious curriculum.

The University of Alabama placed 78 student-athletes on the 2016 Fall Southeastern Conference Academic Honor Roll, the conference office announced this week. A total of 35 members of Alabama's 2016 SEC champion football team earned a place on the honor roll. Among those earning the academic accolade were starters O.J. Howard, JK Scott, Tony Brown, Cole Mazza, Hale Hentges and Ross Pierschbacher. The Tide's total ranked second among the 14 SEC football squads, just behind Arkansas. http://www.rolltide.com/news/2017/2/8/general-alabama-athletics-places-78-on-the-2016-fall-sec-academic-honor-roll.aspx Colleges are really good at branding. The fact is, after you are hired no one cares where you graduated from. It’s just a name on a piece of paper. Provided you go to a reputable school, what matters is what you do when you are in school rather than where you went to school.

Oh, I forget the difficult major part. Is that what you are talking about? If not, please enlighten me on what I have repeatedly missed. Have you seen Tua play?

Going to college and playing sports is difficult. is there some nugget of genius from Rosen that I missed?

Rosen missed this article, lol. http://rolltide.com/news/2017/6/29/UA-athletics-leads-the-nation-in-first-team-academic-all-america.aspx?path=general

It's difficult to go to college and play competitive sports. What a revelation! I guess that unique insight makes Rosen a genius in the eyes of some. Not sure what Alabama, or the two players at Clemson who graduated in 3 years had to do with this. I guess Rosen thinks he's special because he attends UCLA and he is working on a degree in economic (which he will leave UCLA without finishing as far as I know).

He also demeaned two Clemson players who earned their degrees early. First, Rosen claimed that “football and school don’t go together,” and if an athlete tries his hardest to earn a good education, he’s taking time away from football. Hayes then asked how Watson and his roommate, Artavis Scott, were able to graduate in three years at Clemson. Here is Rosen’s response and the follow-up question and answer: While Rosen did commend the Clemson players for their accomplishments, his comment can be taken as a backhanded compliment. The Clemson players had every right to choose an “easier” field if it interested them. Watson and Scott both graduated with communications degrees. https://www.diehards.com/clemson/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-hands-deshaun-watson By the way, Rosen is leaving UCLA without a degree and Clemson, like Alabama, is a fine university,

From 10 - 3 before Rosen, UCLA went to 8 - 5, 4 - 8, and 6 - 7 with Rosen. One guy doesn't make a team.

I could potentially see them moving to #6.

I agree. Grab a LB or a tackle, or a QB if a guy they like is there. We need to draft a QB, but we are not trading away our draft board to do it. Too many needs.

We were in cap hell and needed to rebuild the roster. We don't have the nucleus to trade away all of our draft picks.

Current QBs plus one in the draft.

I agree. Rebuld the trenches. No rookie QB will not be successful behind this OL.

From 10 - 3 before Rosen, UCLA went to 8 - 5, 4 - 8, and 6 - 7 with Rosen. In the meantime, McCarron won back to back national championships at Alabama. Winner vs Cry Baby, Whining Loser.

What was his point exactly? That UCLA has a crappy team because of its high academic standards? Stanford has much higher academic standards than UCLA and it has a much better football team. And again, what did Alabama and two players from Clemson had to do with anything? It seems he couldn’t accept the fact that he played for a bad team and that he couldn’t hack the academics, so he lashed out.

UCLA and UA are both fine schools that provide great educations. I am sure that if you knew more about Alabama you would agree. 84% of UA’s football players are earning degrees. That’s a good thing. Why Rosen felt the need to demean Alabama and a couple of Clemson players who earned their degrees early is beyond me. I’m not sure what good he thought could come from it.

Why would you think engineering at Alabama is easy, lol. Why do you have such a high opinion of UCLA? They had one of the worst records of lowering the bar for athletes. Maybe they have cleaned up their act. http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/ I don’t think Rosen had a point nor did he have a clue about what he was taking about. That’s the problem. But he’s perceived by some as a genius.

Look at the 75th percentile scores of the public Ivy’s. They are generally 32 - 33. If you are in a demanding major, the low stat students are weeded out and if you are in honors, you will be among other high stat students. Just because UA enrolls low stat students it doesn’t mean that you interact with them academically. Most large flagships are a university within a university.

Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s. The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven.

Demanding degrees are school independent. For example, any ABET accredited engineering school will have the same curriculum. Rosen is majoring in economics. Not an easy major, but not as demanding as engineering, mathematics, computer science, natural science, etc.

There are just about as many elite students at UA as UCLA. 25th percentile ACT is 32 at UA vs 33 at UCLA. Even though UA enrolls a lot of low stat students the average ACT between the 2 schools isn’t that far off: 27 vs 29. The majority of students at Alabama are from out of state. Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida and Texas A&M are the best SEC schools. Alabama is probably 5th.

Demanding degrees and Ivy League schools aren’t for everyone. Rosen doesn’t go to an Ivy League school and he isn’t in a particularly difficult major. I think he’s a guy who’s led a sheltered existence and has no clue what he is talking about.

Frankly those rankings don’t mean much. Have you ever looked at the criteria? Alabama’s 25th to 75th percentile ACT scores are 23 and 32. The average ACT is 27. 40% of students have an ACT of 30 or greater. However, as you can tell from the 25th percentile score, UA also enrolls a lot of low stat students. Serving a broad range of students lowers it’s ranking. Does that diminish the quality of the education students get there? I don’t think so. If you have a 33 ACT and a 3.5 GPA, UA gives you $25,000 yr. If you are in engineering, they give you another $2,500 yr. Assuming no financial aid, you can get a fine education at UA for about a quarter of the cost of an Ivy League school.

My point? Since the competition is so stiff and grades/test scores are so evenly matched, you need a hook like being a top athlete (or a medical prodigy) to get into an Ivy League school. Ivy League schools don’t offer academic or athletic scholarships, however, they tend to be very generous with need based aid. I’m confused where we are in disagreement. This kid made the news for turning down all 8 Ivy’s for Alabama. Alabama has a good track record for enrolling students in medical school. I suspect he’ll have no problem. I know a UA student who got his ChemE degree at UA, and his medical degree at UAB. He will be interning at Harvard. There are plenty of Ivy League caliber students at UA. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5