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I/m sure there are some students that go to college for reasons that aren't primarily related to getting an education, ie. being in frat, partying, meeting girls. getting away from parents. etc. that has nothing to do with athletics. I think the vast majoring of student athletes want to get an education. Of course college sports are money losers. Do you think woman's rowing, bowling, fencing, swimming, etc. make money? Successful football programs fund other sports programs.

You said that schools "should be for learning and scholarships should go to kids who are in pursuit of a degree; not a Lombardi Trophy." My understanding that you think that colleges should drop athletics and focus solely on academics and pro leagues should develop their own independent developmental programs. Have I missed something?

It’s obviously possible to play college sports and get an education, but you want to ignore that, for some reason. If college athletics bother you so much, stop watching. You should stop watching the NFL to as their are party to the system. If enough people agree with you and tune out, it will force a change.

If we can get back on topic, what do you think of the Rosen plan?

I’m done with school, so it’s not an issue for me. Tuition is about at a community college is about $4,000/yr and about $9,000 at 4 yr SUNY university. If you live home and are supported by your parents you could potentially get a degree for about $30,000 in NYS. That assumes that you live close enough to schools that offer the degree you are seeking. Maybe there are certain on-line degrees that are cheaper. What a load of crap. You should probably be watching figure skating or synchronized swimming rather than football. It would cause you less heartburn.

So in other words, you think Alabama football players are victims. Do I have that right?

McElroy scored a 48 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and was a Rhodes Scholar Finalist. He earned his Master’s Degree in Human Environmental Sciences with a Concentration in Sports Management at Alabama. He’s a successful businessman and commentator. Cocker earned his Master’s Degree in Marketing at Alabama and is well employed in Mobile. Roll Tide!

Watching EJ play sent me into a depression.

Blahblahah, get over it.

Yadayada. You know zilch.

But you are opposed to giving these young men a chance for an education?

How about rich, frat boys? How about SJW types? How about Asian students? Do you honestly think that different demographic groups don’t cluster? What coach doesn’t have control over his players? Only a very callous individual doesn’t care about his players. I don’t see Saban as that type.

I graduated from a DII school. I don’t have any hang ups about divisions.

What defines a DIII school? DIII schools don’t provide athletic scholarships. They are typically smaller schools with low budgets. How do you evaluate incoming students? GPA, standardized test scores, extracurricular activities, essays, recommenrations, interviews, etc. Where are we going with this?

You don’t think there is clustering in the general student population too?

Whether it’s sports or academics, you can’t underestimate someone’s desire to succeed.

They bucked the odds.

By “poor”, I mean bad. I thought that was obvious. I would expect an admissions counselor to use good judgement on the likelihood that the student athlete will succeed. That requires a knowledge of how committed the athletic department is to the students succeed and how motivated the student athlete is. If she is being pressured to admit students that have a low probability of success based on the resources that the athletic dept is willing to provide and the student athlete’s motivation level, maybe she should find another job.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. Good programs, like Alabama, take smart, underprivileged kids from from tough backgrounds and provide the resources they need to be successful. Ultimately, it’s up to the student athlete if they want to take advantage of the opportunity or not. Do you have a problem with that?

Sounds like a poor school if they are admitting student athletes and not providing them with the resources they need. HS doesn’t define your future and college doesn’t have to be unsupervised. Wow, that was unreadable. So do you think that some athletes would be better off without the opportunity to attend college? If you have such a dim view of football players, why don’t watching fencing or polo?

At one point I thought that he was involved with his alma mater, Miss State, in radio, I think? Nice school.

Many, but not all. I was my son's adviser when he was in college. Other than getting the required sign offs from advising, he had nothing to do with them.

You snooped? Peeping Tom.

I don't believe that at all. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/look-hilarious-photo-surfaces-nick-saban-smiling-hugging-punter-jk-scott/

I think that Saban's comments are on the money: “[Earning a degree] means a lot of guys — even though football might be difficult, nobody is saying it isn’t. Nobody’s saying school is not very difficult. Nobody is saying that getting a college education isn’t very difficult — but for a lot of those guys, being good football players is what created the opportunity for them to make a tremendous investment in their future by graduating from school. “Is it difficult? Probably,” he said. “Was it difficult for me? Absolutely. So, I don’t think it’s ever been more difficult. It’s just never been easy. But I do think the reward of it all — the lessons that are learned being part of a team, the lessons being a competitor in an environment like this or any college football program … the lessons that you learn in life. I mean, how valuable can those things be? “ https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/11/nick-saban-has-his-own-thoughts-on-josh-rosens-football-academics-not-mixing-comments/ I really don't get why you are so bent out of shape about individuals getting an education through football that otherwise wouldn't have been available to them. UA has direct admit into their engineering program, ie. anyone who wants to major in engineering can. It's difficult to get the exact number since students do co-ops. take time off, etc., but depending on the engineering discipline, it appears that roughly about 15% to 25% of students that start in engineering get an engineering degree. Computer Science and Aerospace Engineering seem to have the lowest rate, and Civil Engineering the highest. Getting an engineering degree isn't easy for anyone, especially with the rigors of college athletics, but some do it.