Billsflyer12

I guess I’m not sure what your logic is. 1) There were reasons why Josh was at Wyoming and not a P5 school. Not recruited out of HS, and only 2 D1 offers out of JC Wyoming and Eastern Michigan. 2). Yes, I think if you put Watson or Mahomes on the exactly same Wyoming team they would have been better then Josh. 3). Big Ben played in the MAC, started almost every game all 3 years he was there without P5 talent, and was significantly better statistically. Joe Flacco at Delaware we’re he passed for almost 7000yds and 64% completion in his 24 starts there, not P5 talent around him. 4). Yes I think that elite talent at inferior schools should do be expected to do really well. Also remember, they may not have P5 talent on their team, but they aren’t playing P5 talent either. I hope Josh is amazing. For or me Joe Flacco or Big Ben careers would be great result for Josh. Could have had 2 HOF level QBs and given up no draft capital for them. JMHO Also, I have 2 boys in school at Colorado St, have seen tons of MWC football including Josh in person his last year. Also have 2 D1 football playing nephews.

No, not projects. Both Mahomes and Watson passed for well over 5,000 yds, 65% Completion. Both had at least 45 TDs and less then 18 INTs in their 1st 20 starts.

I don’t blame Josh at all and I like him. It’s not his fault for where he was drafted, what team drafts him and what type of coaches coach him. I blame McBeane. They not only passed on 2 college college QBs from power 5 conferences that passed for over 10,000 yds and 65% completion %. They gave up 2 2nd round picks to get a mountain west QB that even his biggest supporters says was a project. Has he improved, sure maybe some this season in some areas. I’m hoping he has similar path as Big Ben career wise. A big QB, out of small conference, who had slow 1st couple of seasons, that grows into a all pro, super bowl winning QB. There is time, and I’m hoping for his success.

And yet he is basically the same QB we was in college after 20 games. Time will tell if he improves on that, history largely shows he won’t. I hope he does. I hated the pick, especially giving up 2 2nd picks to get him, but am really hoping he and Bills are super successful.

You mean like 2 other QBs we could have had? Watson - 32 games, 683/1011 67.6 %. 63 TD/22 INT 8296 yds. 259 yds/game Mahomes - 24 games, 562/856. 65.7%. 65 TD/14 INT. 7561 yds. 315 yds/game Question was “Is Josh Allen improving as a passer”. Correct? I just posted ALL of his stats from college and pros side by side. I guess anyone can slice specific games or specific few games. I just showed them all.

2016/2017 Wyoming 2018/2019 Bills 25 Games. 20 Games 361/643 56.2%. 317/563. 56.3% 5015 yds. 3727 yds Yds/Game. 200 yds Yds/Game. 186 yds Yds/Attempt 7.7. Yds/Attempt. 6.6 Yds/Completion 13.8. Yds/Completion. 11.75 44 TDs. 20 TDs 21 Int. 19 Int

We passed on Watson. We passed on Mahomes. We traded 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots to basically draft Tyrod. I still just don’t get anything about the handling of the QB position with this administration.

2017 - Today Bills record against teams that finished season/projected for this year, @ .500 or above 5-14, outscored 495-229 With the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or better Bills averaging only 18.6 pts in the WIN 2 of the 5 wins are against teams right @ .500 Of the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or above, only 1 was at home vs 7 losses at home. Only home win was a 2018 13-12 win against Titans.

Isn’t this the point, the Eagles are good and the Bills got their a** kicked at home. I understand they can only play the schedule they are given, but when they do play a better team they need to win a couple of them. Warren Sharp stat from yesterday, Bills now 0-8 the last 2 years against teams with average or better offenses. They allow 29 ppg and lose by average score of 29-9. They need to start getting a couple of signature wins against good teams or we will continue to just be talked about as the paper tiger that we are. I hope they do, probably only have a couple opportunities to do so this season. Cowboys and Patriot wins would really help. JMHO

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I was enjoying you trolling everyone, now I worry that you actually believe everything what you are posting.

Christianity

Or in the draft. WR thin in both places.

To be clear it is largely McBeane’s doing. They gutted the roster, they traded away multiple picks on a rebuilding team. People act like these guys inherited this team and draft board. Even if you believe it is part of “the process,” they created this mess.

That sounds great and all, but this organization has not only shown no interest in offense at all in past what 15 years, but shown no ability to draft the most important position in all of sports. Its unreal how bad they have been with offense since the K gun era.

So we could have resigned Robert Woods in March if 2017, draft Mahomes in 2017 draft, kept Sammy, kept Glenn because we don’t need the draft pick to trade up to get Allen. So offense with Mahomes, Shady, Watkins, Woods, Clay. Glen and Dawkins anchoring the line, all sure sounds like something that might be ok, at least light years better then our current situation. This also would allowed us to still draft Edmunds and save the draft pick lost for KB. But yeah, we wouldnt have a good CB.

McBeane are really good at trading players for a almost nothing to free up cap space.

Culture reasons? Culture is the most overrated concept in all of sports. They traded and cut players with more talent, then they received, drafted or signed. "Culture," "process," "faith, family and football" are things spoken by those who don't have a real plan or idea what they are doing. They are created to blind the sheep and it has clearly worked with many Bills fans and the Pegulas.

This Bills offseason: Vonte - Inactive/Quit Kerley - Cut McCarron - Traded Coleman - Cut Ivory - 3rd String RB Bodine - Bench Murphy - Injured/ little today Star - His name even mentioned the 1st 2 games?

They didn’t have to use that capital. They could have gotten similar or better players, along with others to get the rebuilding started. They could have gotten several QB for less or even no capital. They gave up capital to get Allen, Edmunds and Harrison, along with giving up capital to get Zay and gave up Dareus to get Wyatt Teller. With a bad roster, with tons of holes, the foundation of this rebuild was way to expensive IMHO.

They used 6 1-3 round picks to draft 3 players, Allen, Edmunds and Harrison. Even if all 3 of those players are good for a rebuilding team with a ton of needs that is not smart.

This 1000x over!!

Star was 5yr 50 mil. Which was in the ballpark of what Dareus had left on his contract. Dareus was traded because he wasn’t a McBeene type player. Ok, fine. Can you build a Super Bowl team with only McBeene type players, or at some point talent at least for a few mean more then the McBeene Way? No. Healthy scratch.

Then sign Star, his replacement and Vonte to those contracts?

They did have to draft one, they took the wrong one and gave up a bunch of capital they couldn’t afford or need to to get Allen. They could have had Watson, Mahomes or Rosen for no or much less draft capital. I hated the trade up for Allen, don’t think he will be a franchise QB in NFL. Hope I’m wrong. Bad teams can’t afford to give up draft picks, especially for Non QB. Who else in the league makes a Dareus for Teller trade? People who value having “their kind of guys” over sustained winning. Just my opinion. Not screaming mad.