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Not so sure about that. We have almost an entirely new offensive line, new WRs , TEs, i think the Bills could be very very shakey on offense for mutliple weeks to start the season, sure hope I am wrong. I dont think a rookie Ed Oliver is well suited to stop the run, esp versus brady/belichek. Edmunds improvement is extremely critical, that i agree with, let see if it happens. Yes other players can improve, hopefully. At the same time, the PAts O line should be stronger and they added real depth.

Answer: no legit ref does I remember that game vividly, i can still recall how dismal and depressing it was to watch the end. Little did I know the real Pats nightmare was yet to begin.

Because now Belichek learned the Bills cant atop the run. It isnt exactly rocket science. Do you really think belichek will do much different in the next Bills match up, as I have stated several times the Pats have gotten stronger in the run dept and what have we done to shore up our run d? next to nothing, got a rd 1 arguably undersized penetrating DT, the Pats will either run right through the gap Oliver leaves in his wake or will blow him out. We have quick mostly rangey LBers more effective in the pass defense. Next game versus the Pats I believe are are going to have to prove that we can stop their run. Leslie Frazier has a very tough assignment.

That is true but honestly, did you really think the Bills had any chance? I didnt. Pats were in control the entire game. And we did next to nothing to shore up our run defense this year. Pats get their 1st rd O Lineman back this year, added O line in the draft and a RB. Sorry but I dont see how we are going to be able to stop them running right up our gut like they did the last game for 274 yards.

"Thompson would have been drafted in the top half of the draft if he would have come out this year, but in a deep safety class, he chose to potentially rise to the top of the next year’s class." Yeah i would take a shot on this one.

My God, good catch typo, 7.5 wins and Miami at 5.. More I think about it, i stand behind my 3-3 in the AFCE as the right answer. Latest odds are NY Jets 7.5, Miami 4, Bills at 6 and NE 11

Boy I sure hope you are right Vegas has the Jets a 7.5 win team, the Dolphins (Vegas 5 wins) and get swept, once again by the Pats. Will Brady be worse next year,, probably, will it matter much to the Bills, nope, he isnt going to get much worse than his last game versus the Bills 54% completion, 216 yards, 2 ints 1 Td and guess what, the Pats still were in control of that game. Their O Line has gotten better and they have another RB in the stable, they will dominate us, run down our throats, once again. Gase, beside his bizarre introductory press conference, lets wait to see how good a coach he can be. They have a good roster, Darnold and added fresh legs in Leveon Bell, Just like the Pats, I think the Jets are going to be able to run aggressively against us.

Whatever faint hope he had on the NFL is now gone.

I think Russel Wilson is just as good as Flutie every was, look at all the runs in the NFL Wilson has had and has never missed a game in 7 full seasons. In regular NFL play he has rushed 645 times, pretty extraorodiay.

Ronnie Vinklarek was a Bills Offensive line coach 2002-2004. Called me up out of the clear blue one day tried to buy some property off me, normally the type of call i hang up on but immediately starting talking about his playing/coaching days and being on the bills. Rather entertaining entrepreneurial guy, he owns a company called All American Ranch Sales. If I ever sell i wlil give him a call.

5-1 in the AFC East? Seriously? I am saying 3-3

A lot of uncertainty with the Bills D Line, two big questions, does Trent Murphy (as Ethan ion Portland stated Lawson isnt the answer) get back to his prior year form and does he stay healthy and Ed Oliver, rookie, total question mark, does he have it as a rookie? If both pay lights out and stay healthy then i thin we could have the best D Line in the AFCE.

Fine, you think Flutie was a "great" QB because his teams had a better W/L record than R Johnson so be it

Flutie was a great QB, that is in the CFL. I have already written this in this thread but once again... Flutie was a me first guy, it was more about Flutie than it was the team. He purposely polarized the lockeroom against rob Johnson (and he got away with it because Wade Philips is a great coach but doesnt have the balls often to stand up to people). When flutie was benched he pouted on the bench like an 8 yr old girl, refused to help, he is the definition of an unprofessional and a selfish spoiled brat player. As maligned as rob johnson is around here he engineered one of the great Bills playoff comabacks and easily could have gone all the way to the Super Bowl, had not the music City Miracle fiasco happened..then the ENTIRe Rob johnson-Doug Flutie Narrative could be dramatically different.

Again is this the best selling point for Doug Flutie, if so I rest my case.

1) W/L is a TEAM Stat, not just a QB Stat. He had one of the great defenses the Bills ever had. 2) His one time in the playoffs he choked fumbled away the game on the 5 yard line, win-less in post season. 3) Figure it out for yourself, your best "selling " point is he was better than rob Johnson.

Well maybe you should,. QB is radically different from any other position, being a great teammate and a leader is extremely important in the NFL.

Spot on although Flutie was a much worse teammate and leader. Tyrod never, to my knowledge, tried to tear apart the lockeroom and destroy (R Johnson) his competition, Flutie was a me first player. I recall the infamous Music city Miracle game and the lead up to it, Fltuie sat there like a little baby pouting through the entire game, didnt do ANYTHING to help R Johnson n that game, nothing. Selfish little brat because he couldnt start.

Look at the stats, in three years her he never completed more than 57% of his passes, barely averaged of 200 yds/gm, J Allen does that this year and watch him get excoriated.

Flutie also had a great defense, i believe his best year here the defense set a then season record for low number of points allowed. Flutie also was a terrible leader imo, he was never a teem players, he set out to destroy Rob Johnson and divided the lockeroom

Vegas odds had him as a higher probability to lead the team in rushing. I think Gore is a shoe in t=for the HOF, right now I think Shady is going to need another 2000 yards

Josh Allen Denver is the best so far

OJ can rot in hell, i could care less what he thinks about Josh Allen. I am also disgusted by any "Bills fans" that would actually go up and want to meet him

Thanks for the clarification but my main issue remains why do they players or for the matter want the NFLPA to get involved in a political/financial headache? So lets say the NFLPA trys to get the Pegula's to move from buffalo since they donjt have the revenue maximizing stadium, do the players want to insert themselves in that mess and end up being one of the "bad guys". Those are and should be owners decision imo, at one point do the players cease to be :"players" and start to be player/owners?

Terrible backswing, not much flexibility there ole tom.