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Another thought on Faraday proclaiming his love for Charlotte.... He may be trying to establish just such a 'deep connection' that is, as he said, required for a 'constant.' Love for Penny worked for Desmond.... I think Faraday thinks if he can then establish a link between himself and Charlotte thru Desmond, the seizure / aneurysm can be stopped. He seems to have at least stabilized the Theresa woman in the hospital bed (for which he was kicked out of Oxford)... she still has the flashes thru time, but she's alive.

1) I believe that Ben took over leadership of the Others c. 1992 with the Purge. That timeline for any ousting of Widmore wouldn't be right if Widmore raised Penny back in England; she's mid-late-20s back in 1996. That doesn't mean that Penny wasn't born on the island, but we have no evidence of that... yet. Ben simply stands in his way of getting back / getting control of the island... I think Widmore's original beef is probably with Richard (that strain was expressed last night, with Richard having to push the gun away that was pointed at Locke) and what the Others came to be and what they were doing. 2) That's what I was thinking, actually. And I think they're subtly suggesting that with the similarity of hairstyle. Her name is __?__ Hawkins, as bubbled during the repeat. 3) I can dig that, maybe a fraternal twin to Penny? We've never had info about Penny's mother. Wouldn't be surprised about any of that. Don't know when the fertility issues started on the island, however, we did see Candle/Halliwax with the baby in the season premiere (with speculation that it is Miles). There does seem to be a litany of disagreements among couples about habitation on the island. Whether to stay or go (or come back). Rose and Bernard. Jin and Sun (assuming that she's going to return... which, as everything is building toward them all having to return for it to work, seems pretty certain, we just have to see how it happens). Kate and Jack. Adding Widmore and Hawkins (with the additional element of them seeming to be on competing sides for control of the island) would be fitting. And, hell, you might even be able to add "Adam and Eve" as Locke called them... we still have no clue who they were.

Also, the lady on the computer at Oxford is none other than the Oceanic clerk at the terminal that let Hurley on the plane. Her name was 'Ginny' then, don't think she gave it here. I would guess that she's in the Other off-island network, like the woman in the butcher shop.... What does that portend about this all being planned, or at least foretold (e.g. the psychic) and guided along its way.

Well, it seems to 've been answered last night. Richard travels to see young Locke in the 50s. No time travel on his part to get there. Question is, might the scene play differently now since Richard gave Locke the compass and implanted that memory into his consciousness --- in other words, will Locke be able to experience 'the fullness of time' similar to how Desmond has had that ability (see the bolded section above of my posts last week). You know, I wish they would start giving Sawyer things to say other than "Son of a B word!" three times per show. That's getting played out pretty fast. Charles Widmore seems to be an original Hostile/Other. Yet Widmore's uniform says "Jones." There may be Brits among them, but they aren't British troops. Looks like they just took the American soldiers' uniforms. Widmore, speaking to Desmond, emphasized "many, many, many years ago" and my guess is he's not saying the half of it. Could the use of Latin be connected with that broken leg statue / an Atlantis tie-in? "Jughead"... appears to be what was in the Tempest. They followed what Faraday said and "buried it" (and in 2004, Faraday 'renders it inert.' Evidently, this is something that Goodwin was working on, hence his 'chemical burn' treatment that started his affair with Juliet. But the way that woman with the gun said something like 'You again' to Faraday was odd, and Faraday said she looked familiar. May be something deeper here. At this point, can only guess that he had appeared before this time in a flash (that may have happened already or, oddly, may be yet to come). Would anyone be able to confirm who the girl in the hospital bed is? Looked like the girl in the broken picture at Oxford. Why would I not be surprised if her last name is Lewis? Also noticed that the wrist-tie stayed with Charlotte thru the jump. So, they can carry things across time... looks like they need to be holding/touching them.

Maybe the only good thing is that it's not mandatory. Stations that don't have any technical limitations can still switch off analog if they decide to. Two stations in my viewing area (which is composed of three DMAs --- Providence, Boston and Hartford) have already gone dark on analog. However, it's going to present problems for certain other stations. I'll just point out one case... WPRI (CBS) in Providence broadcasts analog on channel 12, digital on channel 13. WNAC (FOX), also out of Providence, is currently broadcasting analog on 64, digital on 54... but they had contracted to move the digital signal to channel 12 on 17 Feb. Now, they won't be able to do that unless and until the WPRI analog vacates that '12' slot. To further confound things, I know of situations around the country where it's like this, and then involves a third station that had planned to move to the channel that the second was vacating. As I wrote, this is going to create an even bigger cluster---- than the original plan. What do we even have a government for? They just gilbride everything they touch.

I've written about this in other threads on the digital conversion, that delaying would only create twice the cluster----. And as the article explains with a small cross-section, the delay would totally gum up the works of 'Channel 7 is broadcasting digital on 45 right now, but will go back to 7 post-switch, but they can't start putting up that antenna until blah blah blah seventeen other things happen that depended on keeping the 17 Feb. date. Other problems too... I don't need to repeat them b/c it's there in the article. But also, how about for those people that are supposedly being "helped" by this delay (elderly and non-English-speaking) who on 18 Feb. say, "What was all that cockamamie for the past year about teevee not working anymore? I have a fine signal, so I must be all set. Digital my ass!" Delay is only going to create more confusion and reward procrastinators (and further teach people that all they have to do is do nothing and the govt will come hold their hand).

1) We just don't know why. 2) Since when has Ben told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Another thing, we also don't know what's in the box that Ben took out of that hotel duct.

1) Entirely possible. Also possible that the initial theory still stands that since the ship was carrying so much metal, the island's magnetic forces violently brought it in, and that it was so far inland is telling of how strong that force is/was? Desmond not pushing the button pulled 815 off course (no way of knowing how much of the thousand miles it might have been responsible for). Then again, how could the logbook have been "recovered by pirates" and kept by that family (I forget- was it the Hansos?) for so long before auctioning it? Unless it was stolen previous to an entrapping time-jump... just seems an odd thing to purposefully steal. Then, the Hansos auctioning it so that Widmore would buy it and use coordinates to find the island. This begs the question of whether things that landed on the island would move with the island. Why would they not just sink after the island disappears?... but actually, that may have been covered by the raft not disappearing. Hmmm. 2) We just don't have enough to go on to even guess, at this point. Personally, I think it relates to the 'Dahli Lama' test that he gives to young Locke. Everything about how this show operates tells me that scene will be revisited. I think it kind of plays in with Desmond. A new 'memory' delivered real-time to Desmond post-2001 is now going to influence his actions in 2007, but Faraday expects, due to Desmond's 'unique characteristics' that the knowledge he gains in 2007 will be known to him through the spectrum of his life (remember how Des smiled in 1996, knowing that the phone call works out in 2004). B/c Faraday can't predict with any certainty what time they're going to jump to next. Likewise, I think the compass will deliver (or, Richard expects/hopes it will deliver) a window of this ability to see the whole spectrum for Locke. It again goes back to Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five" along with being 'slightly unstuck in time'... that the aliens in that book are aware of the fullness of time but are powerless to change anything. For them, things are as they always have been and always will be --- to wit, they cannot stop the destruction of their planet by something they created --- and the concept of ever-advancing time doesn't exist --- it's all one time. 3) I don't know what to think about that. My gut tells me no. The producers/writers did try to make JD look younger and his mannerisms in that 1996 flashback were different from his personality of the present that suggests aging. Also, if he were one of the original Hostiles, that would make him part of Richard's group, which would make him part of Ben's group, so why would he be joining a mission to capture Ben and inert one of Ben's weapons in the Tempest? I think Richard already knows very well what's happening to the island. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I was going to jump in and then I saw your post. This transition has been in the works for a long time. First the broadcasters dragged their feet and received an extension, and now everyday people get to drag their feet and will receive an extension. Fair is fair, n'est pas? Over in the consumer forum and OTW, I've made several posts on this subject, how I got a tuner and upgraded our antenna system (we are OTA-only on the outer cusps of three teevee markets). We've been waiting for the "date certain" (Could govts please stop ^%$&ing using this term?!!? B/c it's never certain when govt gets involved, the only certainty is delay) for a while b/c many things are were riding on that date. Now, everything looks like it'll get f--ked up, contracts will have to be redrawn, teevee stations are going to be spending more serious coin to power and upkeep an analog signal (~$100K per month for WGBH in Boston), the auction-winners won't be able to use something they paid $19B for another several months, frequencies will have to be reallocated/rejiggered by the FCC making their job unnecessarily harder and taking away from real problems.... all because pols are worried that people who have to be dragged off their dead asses to do anything, little old grandmas and Jose won't have teevee on the 17th. This was a clusterf--k already, and now delaying it is literally only going to create 20 times the clusterf--k. And it sends the message to one and all that all you need to do is pretend like you don't 'get it' and the govt will cave to your failure to prepare despite 3 ads every hour telling you that analog is ending and come hold your hand. I'll believe that when I see it. On 1 June, he's going to be concerned that midgets have been unfairly treated by the digital transition and seek a delay to 4 June 2023.

Your first sentence nails the situation with Ralph's spending habits/personality, which have been long chronicled. As the saying goes --- and it's doubly fitting here --- he pinches a nickel 'til the buffalo sh--s. For most everything else on what I think, read my sig. And aside from that... and despite how he was on the proper side of the CBA (false cause as for why he voted again't it)... I think Ralph has officially started to 'lose his intellectual grasp.' Going along with several other posters and their fiscal/tax reasoning, plus Ralph's own words, the team will not be sold until after his death. It's a little silly that this board gets caught up in this topic time and again. Now, despite all the crap I've flung in Ralph's direction (and hey, I'm just flinging it back at him) the stars may be aligning favorably toward the team remaining in Buffalo. In this economic climate, where the big cheeses say we haven't struck bottom yet, it's going to be more difficult for companies to afford/defend buying luxury suites. And to this end, the Buffalo franchise is perhaps uniquely positioned for the next several years, as RWS doesn't have very many. But it all depends how long this recession lasts. If Ralph were to die before the upswing (if there is an end in sight to the recession ), the price may be a little deflated --- especially when a new owner factored in moving and all that entails--- which could give some leverage to local ownership or Jim Kelly's group.

Wonders never cease.

Richard did this for a pretty good reason, I guess. Past-flash Ethan shot him and didn't believe Word One of what Locke was saying. No doubt Richard would have had to play it safe, too, and even if they didn't kill Locke, they'd lose all kinds of time that they don't have to spare. Then again, that last position of mine might be flat-wrong. Thinking about the time-line, from what point did Richard originally go back to check on younger versions of Locke? We were only shown the flashback and we had no context. Did Richard see him back then w/o time travel? Did he time-travel there either when the Others first learned about Locke and his miraculous recovery... or time-travel when it first became apparent that Locke would be playing a major role in the group/taking over (in "The Man From Tallahassee")? Or does Richard go back after this point where he gave Locke the compass (b/c the Orchid would still be intact at the time of that flash point)? It depends on that answer whether Richard giving Locke the compass would change anything from his past... such as young Locke having a link b/w 195_ and 2004, similar to what Desmond had b/w 1996 and 2004 in "The Constant" and this time choosing the compass in the test. Or was the test flashback what happens proceeding Richard giving Locke the compass and Richard being so disappointed? I guess we'll see.

That's a little harsh. When we had to put my 12 y.o. german shorthaired pointer down this past summer, I wrote an email to let friends and relatives know. Among dogs, he and his father who we had to put down exactly a year earlier --- to the day --- were the best I've known. Writing always helps me to sort my thoughts, to gain a little control over them, and gives a little catharsis. It's been a little over six months and the grief chest pain has only recently started to lessen, and I now only 'cry like a baby' ~ once every couple of weeks. If he feels just a little better after writing that, who are you to give him sh--? Don't read it, then. Back to the topic, having another dog settled in at the time really softens a blow like that. When the father passed after a long progression of cancer/arthritis/Lyme, it was sad and we also we more prepared and knew it was coming, then let him go with dignity... which you may not think is important, and it's weird, but if he could have talked, dignity is what he would have wanted. He was like that, a staid, gentle giant of a fellow. This summer, tho, we were knocked over with his son's cancer, even tho he was 12, b/c there was no real sign of it until the day before we put him down. And it was just devastating for me losing my best friend, the shock of it. Had been thinking of getting another before, so the old man could show him the ropes --- I thought I had more time. Now, it's going to be hard to start all over again, and we've decided we need a break from dogs for a while. (However, we are currently fostering my brother's sh--head Weimaraner, who is nicknamed, "Spawn." We have weaned him off tranquilizers and Xanex they had him on... tho at times I question whether that's the right move. Weims are fairly closely related to the GSPs, but they are nothing like GSPs in everything that counts, for me. I have absolutely no use for a dog that is "fiercely independent" as the texts read and my experiences with this breed have proved.)

Miles actually intimated this last season when they were debating whether to go back to the freighter on the raft... something like 'Why would you go now when you've spent your whole life trying to get back?' Charlotte didn't dispute it.

Oo-ooo, that's good!

Duey, I'm not sure placing so much importance on Hurley is correct. For sure, one of the important people, but there are many. Each person has a special role to play. And then they die. It's like how Christian told Michael on the boat, "You can go now, Michael" right before it blows up. Hurley may be the 'heart/soul' of the show, but they've complimented and placed premium importance on several characters. The creators have said there's a little borrowing of "The Langoliers" how those things would come in and eat the past --- everything. On the island, it's a mix of "the universe course correcting" happenstances and the smoke monster attacking people whose roles are finished --- e.g. the pilot flew the plane, gave them the transceiver and said they were a thousand miles off course, and then he was... well, you know. I had never liked Jeremy Davies characters before --- the pathetic, timid type ala in Saving Private Ryan, and Faraday is cut from the same bolt, only he's a physicist. I like how the character is developing tho, trying to protect the course of events thru time, but also being the hypocrite b/c he tells them not to, but does so himself. The questions arisen last night are: 1) In the second flash, would the group have come across themselves on the beach, ala there being multiple Martys in the mall parking lot in BTTF? 2) Was the introduction clip all there was to the Orchid, as in it was one of the flashes, or was that an upcoming scene that we just got a taste of? As for the white-haired woman, Sage makes an interesting guess above of her being Faraday's mother. That's initially what I thought when seeing her do the calculations on the board. If that was real-time, she's found the new location of the island. She's in the basement of the abbey where Desmond was for a time. Even tho she was talking to Ben, we still don't know the extent of her connections, b/c it's never that simple, is it? Then, to get to Halliwax, was his(?) baby born on the island? Cool to see some of the original Dharma construction and discovery of things already there. The wheel enclosed by solid friggin' rock... how the hell did it get there? I Heart Shih-tzus. (Personally, I don't really like most small-dog breeds. Napolean complexes.). We finally see Frogurt and he's there for like 4 minutes. I hated Ana Lucia's character. But I guess that was manufactured by design and with purpose, a woman who started off in the Sydney airport that you wanted to like, and then making all the wrong moves and appointing herself as a four-star general among people who didn't really (want to) listen to her, mainly her unilateralism and 'inability to connect with others.' This has mellowed. She, and all of the dead characters who've reappeared are still very much a part of the show, they have a higher level of understanding and connection as they reveal each small part of what the island wants them to reveal. Good question. I don't imagine that the island and the characters being 'unstuck in time' would last the entire season, but it may well take most of the season for the Oceanic Six to make it back to the island. Who were the flaming arrows coming from --- the original hostiles? Also, the troops who were going to cut off Juliet's hands are a new group (from the past, tho we don't know how far back). Were they British?

Holy crap.

Dude, certain of teams use permanent marker for that.

That's precisely what I was getting at with 'burn-in' --- killing the grass with a substance --- rather than 'burned in' as in flame and ashes. The article does not make it clear either way. Your initial post's wording also invites readers to assume flame, which would be an act that crosses the line from mere prank. May not be the case.

Sure they actually set fire to his lawn? What do they mean by "burned in" those things? B/c that can also mean killing the grass i.e. fertilizer burn-in. Diesel fuel is pretty hard to ignite. For it to spark in engines, it's pressurized and in droplet/mist form. If you light a match and throw it into a jar of diesel, the match will go out. Perhaps it was kerosene or some other accelerant....

An attitude Trent might have benefited from this year. Cards pound his head into the turf among several other 'Oh, come on!' hits and DJ stood on the sidelines clapping. I don't care if it comes with penalties. Guys have to know that if they come after you, it might be their knee that gets blown out in repercussion. As I've written, I'm tired of this Jauron kitty-foot 'technique' and pillow biter 'finesse.' He can shove it. In football, you win by making the other guy not wanting to be out on that field, by making him ache, and saying "I know you know exactly what we're going to do, but we're doing it anyway and we're gonna run right over your ass."

Dunno. Apparently, it wasn't Locke's. That scene was an obvious reference to that Dahlia Lama movie. Perhaps it was just that the gift wasn't with him yet (also, I think Richard's words were that Locke "wasn't ready" with Locke's theme up to this point being that people tell him he's special but he didn't want to accept that he was/is special). B/c Richard made a subsequent attempt in Locke's teen years. It's just that Locke wasn't ready until now (c. December 2004).

I got through re-watching all of the episodes before the new season begins and a couple of things have occurred to me. I think I first starting forming it out last season, but I'm now sure that Christian Shepard was living his life like Desmond in the pivotal "Flashes Before The Eyes" (and "The Constant" to some degree) where Desmond travels back in time and must relive his life a second time doing the same things he did previously, with the further knowledge that whatever he tries to change will be "course corrected" anyway, so ultimately it won't matter. People connected to the show have said that's going to be one of the most important episodes as far as understanding what's going on. My read is that Christian Shepard had lived his life previously and this was his second (third? fourth?) go-round. Hence, his reaction to his job eg when the boy died on his table, and when young Jack came home with a black eye for sticking up for his friend Mark Silverman. "I went home, had dinner and watched Carol Burnett until my sides hurt and how can I do that!?!? Huh? How can I do that?! Because I have what it takes. Don't try to be a hero, Jack." (I will also mention that in that scene, on his study wall, is a blurry picture of what looks like a tropical island). Christian is weary and turned to drink by knowing that his life essentially didn't mean squat until he got (back?) to the island. Anyone he saved on the operating table that wasn't supposed to be saved would just die next week in a... car accident or an elevator collapse. Contrast this with what we've seen of Christian in ghost-form on the island --- he's lead Jack to certain places and functions and "speaks for" Jacob, and he does this with purpose. It may have been in the LOST S4 thread where someone gave a really good synopsis on dead characters having to stay until their purpose is fulfilled. Hence, the discussion when Ben and Widmore met that it would be purposeless to hurt/kill each other --- the universe would still bring them to the island in some form. I believe that each one of the Losties is in another go-round, even tho they may not realize it. The white-haired woman in the ring shop told Desmond, "I can always spot the first-timers." Some do seem to have awareness on some level, to the point that the island wants them to, e.g. Locke. And I think this is where Richard Alpert comes in, trying to test the young Lockes' ... how do you say... realization of the future? or perhaps mini-states of what happened to Desmond in "The Constant" that don't have the same physical effects (aneurysm, as Faraday said) on some people. The young Locke would then be expected by Richard to know which of the possessions were "his" in the future, just as Desmond c. 1996 would have known that Desmond c.2004 was wearing a blue shirt and had long hair and a beard. Still don't know what exactly to make of Richard, tho. He is the only confirmed member of the island's original "hostiles." He appears to be 's said that Ben has gotten the Others off track of the larger goals... goals that he seems to think Locke will direct the Others toward. It's still to be seen whether his appearances in other places are the result of time travel or if he doesn't age. Hope this post hasn't screwed with anyone's mind. Tonight, LOST starts @ 8 with an hour-long recap/refresher of the first 4 seasons, followed by two hour-long episodes. It would be nice if ABC could leave the timeslot alone from now on. Looks like, starting next week, they will continue replaying the previous week's episode @ 8 p.m. and the new episode @ 9 p.m.

Wow. Didn't expect it to devolve into this bowl of crap, even by PPP standards. And, people, that's saying something. Word is that he will be released from the hospital today and that it was a combination of fatigue and the emotion of the day that led to the seizure. As this seems to be concluded, I'm going to close the thread. Maybe it would be right for everyone to consider that what goes around comes around. I know several people who were in a foul mood yesterday b/c BO was officially becoming president, who are now every bit the bitter @-holes the Berkley crowd was for the last 8 years. I would only say that if you don't want the pendulum to swing too far to the left, don't work to swing it too far to the right when your favorite is in power, and this obviously goes vice versa.

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